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Gegen Li hat sie den 2.Satz doch auch abgeschenkt. Ich glaube kaum, dass das Petkovic oder Kerber passiert wäre.
Nö, das war ein ganz typischer Verlauf für ein Match einer Außenseiterin gegen eine Favoritin. Macht die Außenseiterin den Sack nicht zu, wird die Favoritin gnadenlos zuschlagen und genau dann ihr Spiel steigern.
Das war kein "abschenken", sondern ein mentales Loch, in das sie gefallen ist. Kann man übrigens sehr gut nachvollziehen, wenn man selber Tennisturniere bestreitet. Nur das ich bei Görges nicht weiß, wie sehr sie das Mentale trainiert und als Problem erkannt hat.

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Nö, das war ein ganz typischer Verlauf für ein Match einer Außenseiterin gegen eine Favoritin. Macht die Außenseiterin den Sack nicht zu, wird die Favoritin gnadenlos zuschlagen und genau dann ihr Spiel steigern.
Görges hat doch gesagt, dass sie extra zur Toilette gegangen ist um es zu vergessen, aber das ist ihr nicht gelungen.
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Görges hat doch gesagt, dass sie extra zur Toilette gegangen ist um es zu vergessen, aber das ist ihr nicht gelungen.
Ja, aber mit abschenken hat das nichts zu tun.

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i dont understand you guys

and, i dunno what to say, loosing against a player who can just serve

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i dont understand you guys

and, i dunno what to say, loosing against a player who can just serve
That guy (referring to mk, we all are in quite a tussle with him TBH) is saying Julia gave away the second set against Li Na in Australia carelessly after the close first set. I was telling him that this is not true. IMO it's quite common on the tour that a favourite eases away with the second set if the underdog (in this case Julia) lets her chances slip to win the first set. However, he made it sound like there was some deliberate throwing in the towel-attitude and I never saw that against Li.

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Julias Hauptproblem ist ihr Kopf und nicht, ob ihre Rückhand vielleicht nicht ganz astrein ist oder ihre Beine nicht so beweglich sind, wie die von Michael Flatley. Und die Frage, ob sie dieses Problem in den Griff bekommen kann, entscheidet darüber, ob sie bei großen Turnieren irgendwann über Mitläufer-Status hinaus kommt. Manche haben das spätestens letzten Sommer erkannt, andere kapieren das erst jetzt. Irgendwann werden es alle kapieren.
Interessanterweise hast gerade Du vor nicht all zu langer Zeit genau Diejenigen für verrückt erklärt, die gesagt haben das sie hauptsächlich ein mentales Problem habe.
Und auch diesmal liegst Du meiner Meinung nach falsch. Nicht in Deiner Einschätzung das sie wohl eine Art mentales Problem hat, sondern das allein davon alles abhängt.
Die Zusammenhänge sind, wie bei allen Menschen und bei Julia eben auch, nicht so einfach. Ich habe mal im Laberthread versucht das ein bißchen detaillierter darzustellen.
In der Regel kann man nicht einfach an 2 oder 3 Schrauben drehen und dann ist alles in Ordnung. Nichts anderes tut ein Mentalcoach nämlich. Es ist eher Glücksache, ob das dann funktioniert.
Als unbedingte Voraussetzung gehört bei so was dazu, das die Spielerin der Auffassung ist, das sie so etwas braucht und bereit ist daran speziell zu arbeiten. Und dafür gibt es bis jetzt keine Anzeichen.
Von Arbeit an mentalen Dingen hat sie vor längerer Zeit Eva Pfaff erwähnt, die sie wohl gelegentlich aufsucht, ansonsten hört man rein gar nichts davon.

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That guy (referring to mk, we all are in quite a tussle with him TBH) is saying Julia gave away the second set against Li Na in Australia carelessly after the close first set. I was telling him that this is not true. IMO it's quite common on the tour that a favourite eases away with the second set if the underdog (in this case Julia) lets her chances slip to win the first set. However, he made it sound like there was some deliberate throwing in the towel-attitude and I never saw that against Li.
To get the things right for Suckmila -


For my part it`s pretty clear what MK 27 actually wanted to tell in his post.
He was first of all annoyed by the result which is reasonable looking at the easily wasted chance that Julia had to win the first set and give this match a different outcome. Therefore he was talking about a throwing in a towell.

Your German answer was about something different.

You tried to analyze the match from your point of view and mention a "mental hole in which Julia was falling, but she was not throwing the match" as the main point for her loss also refering on your experience as a tennis player.

I think there is just a (not quite unintended) misunderstanding.

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She was up *5-3 30-0 in the final set and then lost completely the plot. Her service percentage was below 50% in the 2nd and in the 3rd set. But it was over 60% at the beginning of the 3rd set, that means it was much below 50% in the last games.

That was clearly a match, she should win.


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Julia said after the match: "I wasn't really satisfied with the way i played, specially the tactics! I didn't do the right things to win the match. I stayed all the time in the match, gave everything I had, but it wasn't enough and she deserved that win 100%!I have to work on my tactics, sticking to them the whole time and see when I have the chance to really take the match in my hands."

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SHe also lost the doubles

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Indeed they lost 11-9 in the matchtiebreak

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Also ich glaube die Niederlage hat sie richtig mitgenommen, sie war heute beim Doppel immer noch arg angepisst. Hat sich mehrmals patzige Wortgefechte mit dem Stuhschiedsrichter geliefert und auch sonst war da von der eher entspannteren Atmosphäre eines Doppels wenig zu sehen.

Match war gar nicht schlecht, man hat im ersten Satz gemerkt das sie mit Niculescu noch nicht warm war aber dann ging es eigentlich, der TB war dann halt knapp.
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Was it the same umpire that also messed up the singles match? At least she would have a reason to be pissed at her.
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Paris R1 exit. Mladenovic is a strong, talented player, but disappointing performance from Julia. Horrible footwork/movement. Julia is too slow. Weak backhand. Zero consistency. Then choke in 3rd set from 5-2 to 6-7. Not looking good for Fed Cup. I can see Julia losing both singles matches

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To put her loss in perspective, Mladenovic also annihilated Wickmayer today. Not to mention that she has the crowd behind her and in Paris that still means something.
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Not to mention that she has the crowd behind her
And the umpires.
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