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Corwandt does have a point here with a view to keeping the "house tidy" & avoiding 20 or so tournament threads annually- Not too late to save the day - we could still perhaps have threads around tier of tournament - Grand slams, Premiers etc.

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Though I respect Corswandt's perspective on this,she's using Selective Memory in her recall of events.I don't remember any agreement whatsoever where we decided that we'd never use tourney threads.Aye DO recall when Corswandt first disapproved of the idea and 1 or 2 people posted similar sentiment,but it wasn't anything CLOSE to a firm,unanimous decision.

The worst thing that might clutter this subforum would be if dumb-ass,mindless threads were moved here just b/c some pinhead GM troll whined,'Player Forum' whenever some 12-year-old started some juvenile thread like,"Should Petra start dating Djokovic?",or some other absurd drivel for gossippers and empty babblers...and we obviously don't need new threads created here when someone merely has a question that could EASILY be posed in one of the existing threads.We shouldn't have to open ANY anytime soon since we've already covered the important basics such as Live Scores,News and Articles,Photos,Videos,Off-topic,Graphics,Trophy Room---and I've enjoyed reading much of the Toronto-specific input that's been put forth already,so I don't feel that these tourney threads are destroying our subforum in any way....The one compromise we COULD make is having seasonal threads(clay,grass,HC,etc.)instead of individual tourneys

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From Reyeszjj:looks like all top 8 except Kim will play on Wed, and only 5 slots for Centre Court, so I guess Maria, Li, Woz will have 3 slots, Serena (if through tmw night) will have another slot against (Jankovic or Görges) and Petra will be unlikely to get a spot if Canada's Marino or Wozniak through 1st round tonight/tmw, which means no TV coverage
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You're on track when you suggest that most casual fans aren't passionate about watching Li,but the WTA is kissing the PRC's ass to the extreme with their marketing thrust,so that's their 'justification'.Honestly,though,despite Petra's humble,non-attention-seeking nature,it'll only take one more Slam...or possibly only a rise to the Top Four...before Petra indisputably earns an almost-fixed place on CC...even for casual fans
Good reminder/point Bruce, on China, the WTA and Li Na on Weds.

Nonetheless, things may be opening up for Petra on Weds for Center Court.

Here's why. Tuesday's schedule actually has 6, and not 5 slots on Center Court. Clijsters is actually scheduled after Serena tomorrow (9pm match) as the correction-5th match. That means Petra may play on CC either way. I hope Petra doesn't get that slot (if she does play on Center Court Weds) though? Lol.

More good news. Marino (one of the Canadians) Reyeszjj mentioned,lost as well to Makarova on Monday. One down, two to go, as far as the Canadians. Sorry if you're a Marino fan.

The other Canadian, Wozniak, plays Shahar Peer Tues. Let's hope she loses as well, just to avoid any confusion. Ditto on Wozniak fans. But either way, if Reyeszjj "only 5 slots open" scenario is what would of kept Petra off CC Weds, we see now that they can slot 6 (maybe). And remember, one of the Canadians lost already, leaving 5 now.

Hopefully Petra will be one of the 4-5 on Center Court (if the two Canadians lose), and not the 5 or 6th, if the Canadian, Wozniak wins and they squeeze her in? I would hope if 6 matches were the case & she played on CC Weds, they would push the Canadian, and who ever else they would throw in there to the 9pm match, and let Petra play earlier (if they did 6 matches at all again Weds on CC)?

We'll See? Either way, there's a hopeful chance she'll be on TV/streaming her first match, based off of the Canadians losing?

Go Petra!

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Good reminder/point Bruce, on China and Li Na on Weds.

Nonetheless, things may be opening up for Petra on Weds for Center Court, either way.

Here's why. Tuesday's schedule actually has 6, and not 5 slots. Clijsters is actually scheduled after Serena tomorrow (9pm match) for the sixth match. That means Petra may play on CC either way. I hope Petra doesn't get that (if she does play on Center Court Weds)? Lol.

More good news. Marino (one of the Canadians) Reyeszjj mentioned,lost as well to Makarova on Monday. One down, two to go, as far as the Canadians.

The other Canadian, Wozniak, plays Shahar Peer Tues. Let's hope she loses as well, just to avoid any confusion. But either way, if Reyeszjj "only 5 slots open" scenario is what would of kept Petra off CC Weds, we see now that they can slot 6 (as they're doing Tues night), when they want to.

Hopefully Petra will be one of the 4-5 on Center Court (if the two Canadians lose), and not the 6th? I would hope if that was the case and she played on CC, they would push the Canadians to the 9pm match, and have her play earlier (if they did 6 at all again Weds)? We'll See! There's good hope she'll be on TV her first match though.

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actually i'm very unhappy right now that Becca Marino lost to Makarova again, i'm a fan of hers (twitterly, facebookly or Canadianly)
I'm little blanked on Petra's schedule, but i'll be fine tmw night and by that time, OOP of Wednesday will be out, right?
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actually i'm very unhappy right now that Becca Marino lost to Makarova again, i'm a fan of hers (twitterly, facebookly or Canadianly)
I'm little blanked on Petra's schedule, but i'll be fine tmw night and by that time, OOP of Wednesday will be out, right?
Mmmhhh. Sorry to hear that Reyes. You noticed, I made my apologies before hand for wishing the Canadians lose? Lol.

It's so late that I can't think now, but how are you so sure that Petra could get that 6th slot? Let's see who's left in the top 8. Azarenka-maybe? Zvonareva-no! Clijsters-playing Tues. Okay, that leaves 5 (including Petra), plus Serena for 6 on Weds. Kool. By this scenario, it means that Wozniak, or Serena should lose, as well, for Petra to be guaranteed under your type scenario (and that would be 6 on C Court). Correct? Hey! There looks like hope again!

Just looking at Tues schedule, even with 5 matches on C Court, they still have free time (not sure what they use it for, or is it just for a cushion/overlap) between 5-7pm. Okay.

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Sorry Guys I counted wrong. I apologize.

There's 5 matches scheduled on Tues, but they do have 6 slots available potentially. Reyeszjj was correct in the first place, though we do have one Canadian out (my condolences Reyes), and hopefully we'll have two, by Tues night.

Sorry for the confusion guys. I told you it was getting late. Lol.
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Petra will automatically play on Center Court when she passes Woz on rankings, which will happen in the next 12 months.
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You're on track when you suggest that most casual fans aren't passionate about watching Li,but the WTA is kissing the PRC's ass to the extreme with their marketing thrust,so that's their 'justification'.Honestly,though,despite Petra's humble,non-attention-seeking nature,it'll only take one more Slam...or possibly only a rise to the Top Four...before Petra indisputably earns an almost-fixed place on CC...even for casual fans
Gotta agree with you BG. We can expect to see lots more PRC brown nosing if they manage to produce any more quality players. As we learned with the Nike player marketing criteria, it's more about geography than ability.
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Though I respect Corswandt's perspective on this,she's using Selective Memory in her recall of events.I don't remember any agreement whatsoever where we decided that we'd never use tourney threads.Aye DO recall when Corswandt first disapproved of the idea and 1 or 2 people posted similar sentiment,but it wasn't anything CLOSE to a firm,unanimous decision.

The worst thing that might clutter this subforum would be if dumb-ass,mindless threads were moved here just b/c some pinhead GM troll whined,'Player Forum' whenever some 12-year-old started some juvenile thread like,"Should Petra start dating Djokovic?",or some other absurd drivel for gossippers and empty babblers...and we obviously don't need new threads created here when someone merely has a question that could EASILY be posed in one of the existing threads.We shouldn't have to open ANY anytime soon since we've already covered the important basics such as Live Scores,News and Articles,Photos,Videos,Off-topic,Graphics,Trophy Room---and I've enjoyed reading much of the Toronto-specific input that's been put forth already,so I don't feel that these tourney threads are destroying our subforum in any way....The one compromise we COULD make is having seasonal threads(clay,grass,HC,etc.)instead of individual tourneys
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OK!, unless any other suggestions are mooted - lets adopt the seasonal (surface) approach to threads and rename this thread to depict the HC seasonal thread at the end of the Rogers Cup (cosmoose could do the honours for us ) - [I hold to my promise - it will not be like the US debt ceiling squabble!]

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We shouldn't have to open ANY anytime soon since we've already covered the important basics such as Live Scores,News and Articles,Photos,Videos,Off-topic,Graphics,Trophy Room--
Agree, the only obvious absence is one on her stats – capturing it all in one repository.

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How intelligent was it to have a 1 o'clock pm local start time in a town that's had problems with rain-interrupted matches.Unless someone here can offer a logical explanation why not,wouldn't it be better to begin play as soon as possible to maximize the opportunities?I suppose that Petra would be hardier than lots of those spoiled,prissy divas if she had to play in a strong downpour

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CONCRETE ELBOW by Steve Tignor

Out of Chaos . . . Order?

Serena, Petra, Kim, Maria, Vera, Francesca, Li, Vika, and Caroline (can’t forget Caroline): I don’t think I’m going out on a limb when I say that this is the WTA tournament we’ve been waiting to see for the last year. It took eight months and three majors, but pretty much everyone is present and accounted for in Toronto. Not that anything has changed much thus far; chaos was in the air on Monday, as seeds like Jankovic, Pavlyuchenkova, and Kuznetsova all dropped. But in the end the Rogers Cup should help us start to sort out a new order in women’s tennis. How long can the old guard beat back the new? Are the summer’s breakout stories, Li and Kvitova, here to stay, or soon to go? Is Serena really all the way back already, or is she more vulnerable than we think? Who’s in pole position for the U.S. Open? Can anyone sustain a run of longer than a tournament or two?

We’ll get some answers this week. Before any more chaos ensues on Tuesday, let’s see how those answers might shake out. And while I'm putting names into semifinals slots here, it feels like this tournament could go a hundred different ways.

*****

First Quarter
We seem to say it every tournament: This is a big week for Caroline Wozniacki. But nothing really changes. She loses at the majors yet does enough to retain her No. 1 status, even as the tour’s focus shifts to other players. But this time it feels a little different for her. Where most events this season have been seen as opportunities for Wozniacki to build her confidence and prove herself worthy of her ranking, this week in Toronto is the opposite: It’s a chance for her to stop any negative momentum from her two recent bad Slam losses and make sure she doesn’t even farther out of the top-player picture as she heads for the next major. Wozniacki could use a confidence boost against strong competition.

Her competition likely won’t make it easy. She could get Yanina Wickmayer in her opener; the woman who beat her at Wimbledon, Dominika Cibulkova, in the next round; and, possibly, her tormentor at the Aussie Open, Li Na, after that.

Also here: Sam Stosur and Ana Ivanovic, who had a successful semifinal run with new coach Nigel Sears last week in San Diego. Maybe he can actually make a difference: Every time I saw him walk on court to give her advice, she thrived.

Semifinalist: Cibulkova

*****

Second Quarter
The WTA threw us one more curveball last week, when Vera Zvonareva, U.S. Open finalist in 2010 but the tour’s biggest and most perplexing disappointment of 2011, turned things around again and reached the final in San Diego. Is Vera for real? Last time I started to believe, she took a major nosedive. But it is good to have her back in the mix for the moment.

It’s also good to have another woman in this section, Petra Kvitova, back in he mix. The Wimbledon champion makes her hard-court summer debut in Toronto. She’ll look to pick up where she left off against the likes of Petkovic, Errani, and Arn. I’m guessing Kvitova will show some rust and have to survive a scare, but that she’ll handle the early rounds.

Also here is Agnieszka Radwanska, who threw her own curveball in San Diego by beating Petkovic and Zvonareva and winning her first tournament in more than three years. For some reason, if they face each other again in Toronto, I see Vera turning the tables.

Semifinalist: Kvitova

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Third Quarter
Here’s an interesting quarter that took a turn for the strange yesterday when one of its contenders, Marion Bartoli, who had playing very well of late, was stunned in the first round by a qualifier, Galina Voskoboeva. That leaves the two top seeds, Maria Sharapova and Victoria Azarenka, with slightly easier paths to a quarterfinal showdown.

What will Sharapova’s state of mind be coming here? Even after her Wimbledon success, she has to be somewhat shaken by the ease and manner in which she lost to Serena Williams in Stanford two weeks ago. Not only did Sharapova serve poorly, she played with the shank-producing nerves of a teenager. Jovanovski, Dokic Pennetta, Kirilenko, and Voskoboeva: Can any of her neighbors in the draw take advantage of a lingering lack of confidence?

And what about Azarenka? This would also seem to be an ideal place for her. She has had her best success at hard-court premier tournaments in the U.S.; she's coming off a Wimbledon success of her own, having reached the semifinals, and her draw is manageable—Martinez Sanchez, Hantuchova, and Dulko are in her vicinity. (Actually, those are quality players, so maybe delete the “eminently.”) This does seem like Azarenka's quarter to lose, though. Then again, I thought something similar in Stanford two weeks ago, and she did lose, early.

Semifinalist: Azarenka

*****

Fourth Quarter
So where is Serena, and where is Kim, you ask? That’s right, they’re in the same quarter. In fact, they’re in the same half of the same quarter, and could play each other in the third round. We saw what Serena is capable of when she won Stanford; now it’s Kim’s turn to shake off the rust. She didn’t have much success in that regard at the French Open, so it’s hard to expect much from her here, either. But this is still her time of year, it’s still her surface, and she still holds two of the four Grand Slam titles. While Serena has had her vulnerable moments—she was outplayed for nearly a set by Bartoli in Stanford—I still think she gets past Goerges in the second round, gets up for Kim in the third, and keeps it up from there.

Semifinalist: Williams

Semifinals: Kvitova d. Cibulkova; Williams d. Azarenka

Final: Williams d. Kvitova

(I agree with everything but the last line.)
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Fourth Quarter
So where is Serena, and where is Kim, you ask? That’s right, they’re in the same quarter. In fact, they’re in the same half of the same quarter, and could play each other in the third round. We saw what Serena is capable of when she won Stanford; now it’s Kim’s turn to shake off the rust. She didn’t have much success in that regard at the French Open, so it’s hard to expect much from her here, either. But this is still her time of year, it’s still her surface, and she still holds two of the four Grand Slam titles. While Serena has had her vulnerable moments—she was outplayed for nearly a set by Bartoli in Stanford—I still think she gets past Goerges in the second round, gets up for Kim in the third, and keeps it up from there.

Semifinalist: Williams

Semifinals: Kvitova d. Cibulkova; Williams d. Azarenka

Final: Williams d. Kvitova

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How intelligent was it to have a 1 o'clock pm local start time in a town that's had problems with rain-interrupted matches.Unless someone here can offer a logical explanation why not,wouldn't it be better to begin play as soon as possible to maximize the opportunities?I suppose that Petra would be hardier than lots of those spoiled,prissy divas if she had to play in a strong downpour
To my knowledge/memory Bruce, they actually start matches at 11 am, they just don't broadcast them (at least here in America) till 12pm on ESPN 3, and 1pm on the tennis channel. But the Eurosport Broadcast of the 11am Petkovic match was broadcast on time (with rain delay of course) at 11am. It was the same with yesterdays matches, as well.
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