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US athletes fail tests


White won 100m and 200m gold at the world championships in Paris
Kelli White is one of six American athletes to have tested positive for the stimulant modafinil, the US Olympic Committee has confirmed.
Her first positive test came at June's USA Track and Field Championships.

Hammer thrower John McEwen, sprinter Chryste Gaines and hurdlers Sandra Glover, Chris Phillips and Eric Thomas also tested positive for modafinil.


McEwen also tested positive for designer steroid THG.

Modafinil, which stimulates the nervous system and combats tiredness, is not on the banned list but is related to drugs that are prohibited.

It is likely to be forbidden at next year's Olympic Games.

White faces losing her gold medals from Paris but no decision has yet be taken over whether or not to strip them from her.

Meanwhile, a sample provided by cyclist Adham Sbeih at the US Cycling Federation's Elite Track National Championships contained the illegal endurance-boosting drug EPO.

All seven athletes dispute the findings and will now argue their case to the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA).

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They will try to cover up other names ... i'm sure there are plenty ore athletes involved in a doping scandal.

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Its really annoying that the USA hides all the scandall away and then about 5 years later we find out.Like that 400m runner.

every other country announces the thing straight away.

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It is no wonder why USA athletes always win then.
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Now just to ban the cheats for life...
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US athletes fail tests


White won 100m and 200m gold at the world championships in Paris
Kelli White is one of six American athletes to have tested positive for the stimulant modafinil, the US Olympic Committee has confirmed.
Her first positive test came at June's USA Track and Field Championships.

Hammer thrower John McEwen, sprinter Chryste Gaines and hurdlers Sandra Glover, Chris Phillips and Eric Thomas also tested positive for modafinil.


McEwen also tested positive for designer steroid THG.

Modafinil, which stimulates the nervous system and combats tiredness, is not on the banned list but is related to drugs that are prohibited.

It is likely to be forbidden at next year's Olympic Games.

White faces losing her gold medals from Paris but no decision has yet be taken over whether or not to strip them from her.

Meanwhile, a sample provided by cyclist Adham Sbeih at the US Cycling Federation's Elite Track National Championships contained the illegal endurance-boosting drug EPO.

All seven athletes dispute the findings and will now argue their case to the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA).
I don't understand. If it is not banned then why would they be banned themselves.

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^Exactly. How can you punish someone for taking a *non-prohibited* substance? It doesn't make sense.

If it can be used to mask steroids, or something, then ban it for the future, but if it wasn't banned at the time then I don't see how someone can be punished for using it, or why their name should be besmirched.

OTOH, what about all these other athletes who were suspected of taking THG? So far only one has been named.

I'm more confused than ever.

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Modafinil itself isn't on the banned list, but a sustance doesn't have to be on the banned list for it to be banned.
Modafinil is 'related' to other banned sustances, and is their not allowed to be used.

It's silly I know, but if they put EVERY illegal sustance on the banned list, the list would be too long to read.
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Modafinil itself isn't on the banned list, but a sustance doesn't have to be on the banned list for it to be banned.
Modafinil is 'related' to other banned sustances, and is their not allowed to be used.

It's silly I know, but if they put EVERY illegal sustance on the banned list, the list would be too long to read.
But it should be there anyway. It doesn't matter if it would be too long to read. For legal reasons it should be there. It should be codified. The lawyer in me would sue their asses for dragging my name through the mud when I havent taken a listed substance.

However, the athletics fan in me says... That any substance that assists performance is wrong whether it is on a list or not. I'm glad they are named and shamed. Should have happened sooner.
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It is either banned or it isn't (well, the third possibility is that there is legal doubt about it, and the position needs to be clarified). I assume that there is a list of substances that are specifically named. There will also be substances that are referred to generically, such as "anabolic steroids" or "substances derived from X" or "substances closely related chemically to X".

If the stimulant concerned falls into such a generic category, fair enough. In that case, it is just a li'l misleading for a journalist to describe it as not being on the banned list.

But if it is *already* banned because it falls into a generic category like that, why are people talking about banning it for future Olympic Games? Is the point that it is already banned, but people now want to clarify this by naming it specifically? If that *is* the point, why doesn't the writer say so?

I'm still confused. The article doesn't seem to add up to me.

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However, the athletics fan in me says... That any substance that assists performance is wrong whether it is on a list or not. I'm glad they are named and shamed. Should have happened sooner.
Not really. People take all sorts of substances and use all sorts of artificial aids. We don't make athletes perform naked. In particular, they use high-tech running shoes. We don't prevent them from wearing glasses or contact lenses. We let them use all kinds of vitamin supplements, sports drinks with special mixes of electrolytes, etc, etc. Pale-skinned athletes can negate the disadvantage that they would otherwise be under when performing in the sunlight by wearing caps and sunblock.

Steroids (and some other substances) are banned for a very simple reason: they have dangerous side effects. If we let some athletes use substances that are believed to improve performance but also have dangerous side effects, then *all* athletes will come under pressure to use those substances which can harm their health. To protect everyone from that quasi-coercive effect, we ban steroids. Once that regime is in place, anyone who evades it is cheating.

We then ban other substances that can be used to help athletes mask steroid use and thus evade the ban on steroids.

There is no principle in sport that all substances (or devices such as running shoes) that can enhance your performance must be banned. We don't claim that runners and tennis players are cheating unless they at least go barefoot.

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I think there is a distinction there, Leopard. Shoes, clothing, etc. can fall under the broad category of equipment. Athletes are allowed to use equipment to enhance their performance within certain limits set by each sport.

Mariah Scary said that she was against substances that enhanced performance. A fair understanding of substance as it is used today is something that is injested and more commonaly a drug that is injested.

I don't think that drugs are banned only because they are dangerous, but also because it seems basically unfair and unnatural. For example, I think comtemporary baseball has been degraded by the use of drugs. Baseball is an historic kind of sport where records and statistics are take very seriously. Artificial enhancement of performance of current players is actually debasing the achievements of past players.

I think that athletics does not name every single substance because substances can be altered slightly and called different names. Certain categories of substances are prohibited and examples of those drugs are given. Stimulants have long been banned.

THG was not specifically banned either, but anyone who was taking it knew they were doing wrong.
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Anyway, I find it somewhat ironic that the U.S. is now being seen as the nation who has dopped atheletes when for decades the U.S. was complaining about Eastern Bloc countries.
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