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This is the article where creationists get slammed, so stay out if you can't take the heat.

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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up
By John Rennie


When Charles Darwin introduced the theory of evolution through natural selection 143 years ago, the scientists of the day argued over it fiercely, but the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt. Today that battle has been won everywhere--except in the public imagination.

Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy. They lobby for creationist ideas such as "intelligent design" to be taught as alternatives to evolution in science classrooms. As this article goes to press, the Ohio Board of Education is debating whether to mandate such a change. Some antievolutionists, such as Philip E. Johnson, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley and author of Darwin on Trial, admit that they intend for intelligent-design theory to serve as a "wedge" for reopening science classrooms to discussions of God.

Besieged teachers and others may increasingly find themselves on the spot to defend evolution and refute creationism. The arguments that creationists use are typically specious and based on misunderstandings of (or outright lies about) evolution, but the number and diversity of the objections can put even well-informed people at a disadvantage.

To help with answering them, the following list rebuts some of the most common "scientific" arguments raised against evolution. It also directs readers to further sources for information and explains why creation science has no place in the classroom.

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The rest of the article, the 15 answers, can be found here. It's too big for me to post it.

I hope that most of you read it, cause some of the ridiculous claims made against evolution and science are thoroughly rebutted here. Once again, a perfect example of science making religion look like the foolish little sister.

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A perfect example of the devil making a fool out of humans.
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A perfect example of the devil making a fool out of humans.
Is this the best comeback you have for this article?

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You mean, the same devil inspired humans who used all their scientific non-sense to create medicine, technology, etc?

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Knizzle, do you think doctors are lying when they're saying that bacteria are becoming more and more resistant to antibiotica, because people are using it too much? So after a while, the antibiotics we have now won't help against the stronger bacteria.
That's evolution.

And how do explain all the different races, Knizzle? How can all these different races have sprung from just Adam and Eve?

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Here's a thought. Adam and Eve. Only Had Sons. Think of the incest involved in propigating the entire human species

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Apparently Satan invented science to confuse us. Clever little fellow
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Here's a thought. Adam and Eve. Only Had Sons. Think of the incest involved in propigating the entire human species
can you give proof of the "only sons"?

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can you give proof of the "only sons"?
What does it matter? Mother and son, brother and sister? It's all incest and the babies produced by these kind of couples would most likely have lots of defects.

Which makes me thing...basically the bible is saying incest is okay?

And I repeat the question, how do you explain all the different races if there's no evolution?

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What does it matter? Mother and son, brother and sister? It's all incest and the babies produced by these kind of couples would most likely have lots of defects.

Which makes me thing...basically the bible is saying incest is okay?

And I repeat the question, how do you explain all the different races if there's no evolution?
I know but it does show that he knows nothing about the bible....
about bible <-> incest, it says basically:ita was allright until a certain point, because at that time it was a matter of survival...the degeneration starts after a while, when incest isn't necessary anymore....so from then on it gets banned.....
the different races...ahem....the point is (for most people) not about NOT believing in evolution...what most people say is:first creation, then evolution ....

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NOT believing in evolution...what most people say is:first creation, then evolution ....
For most people, yes. Not for people like Knizzle and the ones this article attacks. Evolution is a fact. What came first, what came before evolution started, that, we don't know.

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Although I agree with the premis of the article, my god was it boring. Thanks for posting it Sam.
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Evolution certianly isn't something that should be denied in this day and age...it only really is denied by backward people, for whom such a belief is only one of their stupid ideas about the world.

As for the origins of the universe though...who knows? Religion neatly likes to put humanity at the centre of the vast universe, just as people once used to put the earth physically at the centre of universe...while science has hundreds of often contradictory views on what the universe is, and how it came about...

It would be great to know, but maybe we people just aren't smart enough to grasp the concept of a universe that may go on forever...and could be who knows what...

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Will no one help prop up the creationist camp?
I hate one sided debates

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