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Did Kobe REALLY do what this lady claims?

Detective: Bryant attacked woman from behind

By TIM DAHLBERG, AP Sports Writer
October 9, 2003

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EAGLE, Colo. (AP) -- The woman who accused Kobe Bryant of rape told police a flirtatious encounter quickly turned ugly when he grabbed her by the neck, bent her over a chair and attacked her from behind, repeatedly asking, ``You're not going to tell anyone, right?''

The 19-year-old woman was raped after agreeing to go to Bryant's suite at the resort where she worked, Eagle County Sheriff's Detective Doug Winters testified Thursday at a preliminary hearing to determine whether Bryant will stand trial.

Winters described in graphic detail for a packed courtroom how the woman said she excitedly met the Los Angeles Lakers' star in the lobby but left the hotel in tears after a vicious attack.

It began with a tour of the resort on June 30 that led to some flirting. She went back to Bryant's room and showed him a tattoo on her back, then turned down his request to join him in the hot tub, Winters said.

Her shift at the front desk was ending and she wanted to go home, he said. ``She stated she was starting to feel a bit uncomfortable.''

She stood up to leave and Bryant gave her a hug that led to some consensual kissing, Winters said.

When she turned around to go, Bryant grabbed her by the neck from behind, pulled up her skirt and raped her against a chair, Winters said. She told investigators she told Bryant ``no'' at least twice, before bursting into tears as the five-minute attack went on.

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During and after the rape, he said, Bryant kept asking, ``You're are not going to tell anyone, right?'' She said she agreed at one point.

``She didn't want him to commit more physical harm to her,'' Winters said.

The woman said that Bryant forced her to kiss his penis after the attack, Winters testified. He said a nurse who examined the woman later at a hospital found injuries consistent with a sexual assault.

The prosecution presented photographs showing injuries to the victim, including one of a bruise on her jaw.

Defense attorney Pamela Mackey suggested Winters had no idea when the bruise occurred. He said a nurse told him it came during the attack.

As the detective testified, the 25-year-old Bryant stared at him stone-faced, occasionally clenching his jaw. He faces up to life in prison if convicted of a felony charge of sexual assault.

Legal experts had expected the defense to waive the hearing and head straight to trial rather than allow prosecutors to lay out their case publicly for the first time.

``The only reason the defense would choose to go ahead with a preliminary hearing when it doesn't have to is it believes -- given the minimal amount of evidence the prosecution is going to be putting on -- it may gain more by cross-examining those witnesses,'' said Stan Goldman, a professor at the Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.


AP - Oct 9, 2:56 pm EDT
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He suggested the defense may call witnesses to testify, a list that could include Bryant himself.

Judge Frederick Gannett, who said he would not rule Thursday on whether to proceed to trial, rejected defense requests to have the woman testify and to see her medical records. He also issued a gag order in the high-profile case.

The hearing began as hundreds of reporters and a handful of spectators gathered outside the courthouse to catch a glimpse of Bryant.

He arrived with his lawyers amid tight security in a caravan of three SUVs and said nothing to the crowd. He had to take off a necklace and was checked with metal detectors before walking into the courtroom.

Gannett had ordered Bryant to appear for a bond hearing even if the preliminary hearing was waived. He left the Hawaii training camp of the Los Angeles Lakers on Wednesday.

Bryant, free on $25,000 bond, was in Colorado in June to have knee surgery.

He has the right to go to trial within six months, but he could agree to push that back until later, perhaps after the NBA season ends early next summer.

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Really. It really does.

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Just before Sportscenter went off, they claimed that the parties were in the chambers because Pamela Mackey let out a bombshell about the woman possibly being with three different men in three different days.
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Really. It really does.
It does and if she had to have some stitches......Look out!
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Just before Sportscenter went off, they claimed that the parties were in the chambers because Pamela Mackey let out a bombshell about the woman possibly being with three different men in three different days.
how would that change anything? Unless they are saying she had sex with Kobe, then ran and had sex with another man and asked him to bruise her, then ran to the doctor?
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From what I read, it sounds ugly, but the defense had to have something up its sleve to go ahead with this hearing, knowing that this negative information was going to come out.
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How could the defense have known that this information would have come out if Kobe did not do it?

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how would that change anything? Unless they are saying she had sex with Kobe, then ran and had sex with another man and asked him to bruise her, then ran to the doctor?
Because if she had sex with anyone else before or after that puts into question whether or not the injuries were put on by Kobe. Plus it does not help that this chick did not go to the hospital straight after, yet waited a day afterwards, plus she went back down to the bell room and continued her shift. Another thing,this chick claimed she didnt even know who Kobe Bryant was intially, now she claims that she was "excited" that a star was in the hotel.
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From what I read, it sounds ugly, but the defense had to have something up its sleve to go ahead with this hearing, knowing that this negative information was going to come out.
exactly!

I still find this so hard to believe. i guess it's cos i've always followed the lakers really really closely.....it's just hard to believe kobe would do this.
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Because if she had sex with anyone else before or after that puts into question whether or not the injuries were put on by Kobe. Plus it does not help that this chick did not go to the hospital straight after, yet waited a day afterwards, plus she went back down to the bell room and continued her shift. Another thing,this chick claimed she didnt even know who Kobe Bryant was intially, now she claims that she was "excited" that a star was in the hotel.
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I am PRAYING that Kobe did not do this, but many women wait until until a few days later before reporting rape.

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How could the defense have known that this information would have come out if Kobe did not do it?
Becauae in a preliminary hearing, the prosecution lays out the evicence. This evidence has to be shared with the defense and the defense has to share their information with the prosecution, but I don't know if the prosecution knew that the accuser possibly had sex with other people.
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From what I read, it sounds ugly, but the defense had to have something up its sleve to go ahead with this hearing, knowing that this negative information was going to come out.
Exactly,

Pamela Mackey and her team are very very good lawyers and investigators. They knew all of this was gonna come out during this hearing, but yet still chose to proceed with it. They are not stupid. Everyone is shocked that this hearing is going on, considering that they were not gonna be able to cross examine the accuser nor see her medical records.
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I am PRAYING that Kobe did not do this, but many women wait until until a few days later before reporting rape.

But you how many law enforcement officers have said to report as soon as possible to get the best possible evidence? The fact that she went to her parents, the defense could argue was nothing but a using time to concoct up a sob story.
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Exactly,

Pamela Mackey and her team are very very good lawyers and investigators. They knew all of this was gonna come out during this hearing, but yet still chose to proceed with it. They are not stupid. Everyone is shocked that this hearing is going on, considering that they were not gonna be able to cross examine the accuser nor see her medical records.
Pamela Mackey is considered one of the best defense attorneys in Colorado and I can see why if the bomb she dropped late this afternoon is true. BTW, if this information is true, the prosecution's case is more of a mess than I thought it was.

Serendy Willick, you brougt out a good point that no one else brought out. She and her friends first said she didn't know who Kobe Bryant was, but I am watching the O'Reilly Factor now and she knew beforehand that Kobe was going to stay at her hotel. Not only that, she is now crying rape, but first she said that the sex was consentual.

She is as big of a liar as Kobe is.
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