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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old Sep 23rd, 2003, 12:06 AM Thread Starter
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The 'Responsibility' of the rest of the World

Tonight, Bush Jr will tell the rest of the world it's their 'responsibility' to spend their blood and treasure on occupation thay opposed invading in the first place. They must do this or risk 'irrelevance'. Of course, that's what we said last year. And they didn't obey us, and were rendered 'irrelevant'.

Why the hell are we asking anyone for anything?

The United States, is the richest, most heavily armed nation on earth, with a history of using weaons more terrible than any other country has ever deployed anywhere. We have more than enough money and enough unemployment to put half a million troops in Iraq and keep them there the next fifty years.

Why the hell are we asking anyone for anything?

Our president, Vice President, National Security Advisor, Secretary of War and Secretary of State have allsiad in so many words, "We're right. You're wrong. We don't need you. And we'll punish you if you don't go along with us."

Why the hell are we asking anyone for anything?

There are plenty of countries who are willling to provide Hessians for us. All we have to do is pay them. Increased foreign aid, loan guarantees, allowing American industry to relocate to those countries, stone cold payoffs. Rememeber "the Coalition of the Billing"? That's one place that the last 70 billion went, and the next 87 billion is going. Using troops from other countries as mercenaries. Tehunemployment is at levels not seen in 25 years. We don't NEED mercenaries.

Why the hell are we asking anyone for anything?

We HAVE money.
We HAVE troops.
We HAVE a large population of unemployed males to use as cannon fodder, should we need more troops.

The only reason for getting troops from other countries is to free up American troops to invade Syria and Iran (in whatever order), then take the Saudi oil fields. Let's be honest, no one can stop us. Militarily, America vs the Rest of the World is Serena Williams vs Anna Kournikova. We have the industry, the agriculture, the raw materials and the biggest guns.

Why the hell are we asking anyone for anything?

We invaded Iraq, we're occupying Iraq, and we're not giving it back til we're sure Bush's friends American oil companies, are going to making the money off that oil, not the Iraqi people. There's nothing anyone can do about. Nothing.

The rest of the world has ONE piece of leverage.

While the American army is tied up in Iraq, it can't invade anyplace else.

And while we are losing troops, it's at about the same rate men that age would die in the cities at home. (In the first Gulf War, Black soldiers were SAFER in the Gulf than they were at home.) So keeping the Army over there IS expensive, but it minimizes deaths, overall. I'm not anxiuos to see the destruction of all Federal social programs in the USA, but Bush Jr has already seen to that, with debt. Our children and grandchildren will pay for Bush's Folly, without the Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs we have now.

Or the USA will default on its international debt, which I consider unlikely.

The USA is in its own personal Palestine. It's too expensive to win, it's too expensive to lose, so you stay in an untenable status quo, year after year.

Why the hell are we asking anyone for anything?

And why is OUR mess THEIR responsibility? We made the mess, we can afford to fix it, it needs to come on our dime.

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I think it's rather reasonable to get support from other countries. The point is that even if you are the biggest, most powerful country in the world, you can't decide the future of all the rest of us just because. I think most people understand that. Or am I the only one?

Even a country as big as USA needs the other countries support. The world is not only yours. We all live in it. That is why Bush Jr. goes to the UN.


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I just hope he doesn't ask this during Monday Night Football!
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I just hope he doesn't ask this during Monday Night Football!
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Or am I the only one?
You ARE the only one.

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Even a country as big as USA needs the other countries support. The world is not only yours. We all live in it. That is why Bush Jr. goes to the UN.
Gallofa - Seriously, do you REALLY think that's why he's gone to the UN? According to Bush Jr, we have the money and we have the troops. The only reason we're letting anyone else in on it is they'rer shirking their 'responsibility'. At least, that's why the President and members of his administration are saying.

The reality is, American tazpayers are bitchiung about the price tag for the war, and so far, he hasn't come up with a reason that's worth American lives and 150 billion dollars and counting. And it turns out that not only wasn't Iraq any threat whatsoever to the United States, the administration lied about what their own evidence said.

You can almost hear Bush Jr saying "it depends on what the definition of the word 'is', is".

By this time tomorrow, we'll have the text of his speech. Should make intersting thread fodder.

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Ok personally I hope my nations leader does not get involved. Like Volcana said it's the USA's mess, they can clean it up.

After all wasn't Bush adamant a few months ago, that the USA would determine what post-war Iraq would be like? And since they toppeled the former government I guess they can decide that. But now they shouldn't ask other countries to send their soldiers over their to die.

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good post, Volcana...


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Oh Bush, i just dont pay that tithead any mind

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Summation of Bush's speech

"We were right. You were wrong. Give us money, troops and a whole lotta shut up."

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Actually, since we clearly are going to have to stay in Iraq for a while, I wish that we had the political will and good sense to concentrate on that.

Europe is now so sophisticated that they are not going to fight each other again, so why in the hell are we spending money keeping our troops and equipment there? Those are resources that we could be using in our mission in Iraq. After all France doesn't have to worry about Germany goose stepping into Paris again anytime soon. And I'm reasonably sure that Russia is not likely to try and recreate the old Soviet Union.

All the other problems in the world could be handled by the UN through diplomacy and/or UN peacekeeping forces.

As for the UN itself, I wish that the US could get it to rotate around the world on a 5 year basis. For example 5 years inthe US, 5 years in France, 5 years in Sudan, 5 years in Chile, 5 years in China etc.

Unfortunately, NYC has become such a crack hoe as far as the revenue generated by the UN being there that there is no possiblity that idea will fly. But it would be nice to see.

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To me, I am still glad this war happened and Saddam went away. To me though, what Bush should do now is simple. If he wants the other major nations to assist in the stabilization of Iraq, he needs to give voting power to those who agree to help.

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To me, I am still glad this war happened and Saddam went away. To me though, what Bush should do now is simple. If he wants the other major nations to assist in the stabilization of Iraq, he needs to give voting power to those who agree to help.
I guess he is sitting on the fence regarding that.. It is only possibly working way out of the dead end, but that would mean sharing the benefits of "rebuilding" with those participating, something that is probably not exactly what he and Cheney want.
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His request wouldn't seem half bad if it wasn't coupled with his remarks yesterday about how he was right and the UN and some European nations weren't going to be given more control or authority in Iraq....so basically it's: "Give us all your money...and don't tell us what to do with it. It's your responsibility".
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I hope he loses the next election.

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