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Thumbs up General Clark (Ret.) enters Presidential race!

Ex-Gen. Wesley Clark to Seek White House

By RON FOURNIER
The Associated Press
Tuesday, September 16, 2003; 11:13 AM


LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Wesley Clark, the retired general with a four-star military resume but no political experience, decided Tuesday to become the 10th Democratic presidential candidate, officials close to him said.



Mark Fabiani, a spokesman for Clark, did not reveal the decision, but sources close to the former Army general said he told his fledgling campaign team that he's in the race. The announcement will be made at 1 p.m. EDT Wednesday in Little Rock, sources said.

Clark's decision came as Democratic strategists from around the country gathered at his small, low-slung brick headquarters on the banks of the Arkansas river to discuss strategy for mounting a late-starting presidential campaign.

Fabiani, who served as spokesman for former Vice President Al Gore's 2000 campaign, is part of a cadre of former Gore and Bill Clinton advisers, who are now rallying behind Clark. In addition to Fabiani, among those attending the meeting were Ron Klain, a strategist in Al Gore's 2000 campaign; Washington lawyer Bill Oldaker; Vanessa Weaver, a Clinton appointee; Skip Rutherford, a Clinton fund-raiser who lives here; George Bruno, a New Hampshire activist; and Peter Knight, a Washington lobbyist and longtime Gore fund-raiser. Bruce Lindsey, former White House aide and now an Arkansas lawyer, also backs Clark.

Clinton had urged Clark to enter the race, but neither he nor Gore is expected to take sides in the primary fight.

Clark's team was exploring several venues in Little Rock for an announcement, including a park named for World War II Gen. Douglas MacArthur, a Little Rock native. This site would underscore what Clark's advisers consider his greatest strength: his longtime military background.

Clark greeted reporters with a "good morning," as he climbed into a two-seat sports car and left his headquarters. Some of his aides had already gathered for the meeting, including Fabiani and Rutherford. Others, including Klain and Bruno, were still making their way to the Arkansas capital.

Clark, 58, believes his four-star military service would counter Bush's political advantage as a wartime commander in chief, friends say. The retired general has been critical of the Iraq war and Bush's postwar efforts, positions that would put him alongside announced candidates Howard Dean, Sen. Bob Graham of Florida and Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio as the most vocal anti-war candidates.

It would be a long-shot bid.

Just four months before voting begins, Clark would be competing against candidates who have had months to raise money, build organizations in key states and recruit the party's top political talent.

But the strategists assembled in Little Rock on Tuesday are among the party's best. An Internet-fueled draft-Clark movement has developed the seeds of a campaign organization and more than $1 million in pledges.

Clark's team urged supporters from the draft Clark committees to travel to Little Rock for the announcement.

Clark's resume is formidable - Rhodes scholar, first in his 1966 class at West Point, White House fellow, head of the U.S. Southern Command and NATO commander during the 1999 campaign in Kosovo.

Clark's local office said no announcement was planned for Monday or Tuesday but it was noncommittal about the rest of the week as supporters anxiously awaited his decision.

Nearly 12 years after Clinton announced his first campaign, Arkansans were excited at the prospect of backing another favorite son.

"He almost has to (run) in light of everything that's happened," said Little Rock lawyer Phillip McMath, a friend of Clark's since ninth grade. "He seems to be campaigning and getting his ducks in a row."

Jean Wallace, a classmate of Clark's from grammar school, has organized Warriors for Wes, a group of Clark classmates named after the mascot at their alma mater, Hall High School. She said the supporters were ready to travel the country to tout Clark's candidacy the way "Friends of Bill" organizations crisscrossed the country campaigning for Clinton.

"We are eagerly awaiting an announcement very shortly. There are thousands of people across the country doing the same thing, people who have put their hearts and time and resources into this effort," Jeff Dailey, spokesman for Draft Clark for President 2004, said.

The group, one of several Draft Clark groups, boasts of 166 coordinators in 50 states.

"In New Hampshire, there are many people ready to move out if they're given the green light," said Bruno, one of Clinton's earlier backers in the key primary voting state.

Clark is scheduled to deliver a speech at the University of Iowa on Sept. 19.

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FINALLY...someone I want to vote for.
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FINALLY...someone I want to vote for.

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he was on bill maher not too long ago. bill kept pressing him to run... im glad hes actually doing it. id much rather vote for him than howard dean.


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NO ONE has comments about Clark in the running?

yawl care so much about that lame-ass howard dean and have nothing to say about clark? shame.


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Oh.. After Bush, all we really need is a career military as a president. Militaries should not be allowed to even think about political careers. Hopefully it does not happen. I'd rather vote for Dean or Hillary than for a soldier.
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eisenhower, grant, washington [couple of others, as well... grant? who else? cant remember now, too much drinking this weekend]

id rather have a general in office than a pussy bitch who ran home to daddy when it was time to ship out.


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Clark is the best bet for beating Bush. The Republicans are going to try to question the "partiotism" of the other candidates because of there critism of Bush and the war in Iraq. It will be hard for the Bush team to question Clark on his patriotism since he has 30+ years in the military, and was a 4-star General. Clark has also been critical of the Bush policy in Iraq. The Dems. who have won the office have so by running as moderate Dems. Clark can get the moderate Republicans to vote for him. Dean will not. The swing voters are going to be crucial, IMO, in this next election. Clark having military experience is good too, because those who have had military experience are less likely to send troops into conflict, because they know what it is like to be sent somewhere for months or years.

Also...it will be hard for the Bush team to attack Clark on him having no experience held in a public office, since most of them are hoping for Arnold S. to win the CA recall election. But at least Clark does have leadership skills. I believe he was the Supreme European Allied Commander. Arnold, well...
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give me an army man to lead me any day. at least i would know that he's not just spitting rhetoric and lofty ideals. at least i would know that this man/woman was once willing to die for his/her cause. i can respect that. i can really, really respect that.
No way. Have no respect or sympathy to military at all. Remember, those are people who do not know what individual freedoms are. They spent all their lives not having them. And they will extrapolate their habits to their respective country. And on top of that, that's the man whom bombed Yugoslavia.
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id rather have a general in office than a pussy bitch who ran home to daddy when it was time to ship out.
Well, I understand that. But I'd rather have "a pussy bitch" in my office.
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No way. Have no respect or sympathy to military at all. Remember, those are people who do not know what individual freedoms are. They spent all their lives not having them. And they will extrapolate their habits to their respective country. And on top of that, that's the man whom bombed Yugoslavia.
Bush, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld combined have had less time in the military (if any at all) than Clark, and do you think they are doing a fine job at protecting individual rights of people in this country? What makes you so sure Dean will be any better than the 3 above on this issue? I think you're looking too far into the military aspect of Clark. Clark is running as a Dem. And the majority of the people in the military know what personal freedoms are. Not everyone who enters the service stays in the service until retirement.
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Clark doesn't seem to waffle as much as Dean.

Dean came to my school and said all the shit he needed to say to get votes but when asked about the very issues of which he gave his stance on in front of a small group of people, on television, he gave standard non-partison answers.

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People should concentrate on giving those dumbos in Palm Beach County lessons on how to vote properly otherwise it wont really matter who runs and what their policies are
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Clark doesn't seem to waffle as much as Dean.

Dean came to my school and said all the shit he needed to say to get votes but when asked about the very issues of which he gave his stance on in front of a small group of people, on television, he gave standard non-partison answers.
Politician's positions during campaigning are almost irrelevant. Campaigning is about getting votes, not about politics or issues. That will come later.
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Bush, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld combined have had less time in the military (if any at all) than Clark, and do you think they are doing a fine job at protecting individual rights of people in this country?
Are you suggesting trying anyone who hasn't tried yet? Clark hasn't. We have no idea what he will be like as President. And if they don't even trust militaries to run Ministry of Defence in USA, I would not trust a military the most powerful position innthe world. It is scary. Look at Powell. He is useless. He has no say at all, while his position has always been a position of a real policy-maker.
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Politician's positions during campaigning are almost irrelevant. Campaigning is about getting votes, not about politics or issues. That will come later.
when I was at Clinton's rallies and when he appeared on TV after he got the nomination, nearly none of his positions changed.

I don't support wafflers, sorry.

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