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Swedes say "No" to Euro!


I am surprised. Not because I thought that they would vote "Yes" when Anna Lindh died, I just thought it was obvious that the Euro was a good thing. Apparently they won't hold another referendum about this issue for another ten years, so I'd better keep my Swedish coins...

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The Swedish economy is doing much better than the EU's so people are less inclined to get aboard.
Combine that with the fact that Scandinavians in general are rather suspicious of European bureaucracy and a European constitution and this "Nej" seems hardly surprising. It's a bit of a Big Brother fear I suppose....

I expect Sweden to join the Euro before the end of this decade though.
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The Swedish economy is doing much better than the EU's so people are less inclined to get aboard.
Combine that with the fact that Scandinavians in general are rather suspicious of European bureaucracy and a European constitution and this "Nej" seems hardly surprising. It's a bit of a Big Brother fear I suppose....

I expect Sweden to join the Euro before the end of this decade though.
This will please the 'eurosceptics' in the UK. They had been worried that if Sweden said 'yes', the remaining scandinavian countries would follow and we would be the only european nation without the Euro, so Tony Blair could have said we have no choice but to join.

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Well I'm sure that eventually all nordic countries will take the Euro anyway, so the position of GB will remain complex.....
There are more fears about the Euro, the common currency give more sensation of unit, and some northern countries are afraid of those of us in the South.... however Euro is the future

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Aren't there already tensions between the big Eurozone states and the little ones because France and Germany are walking all over the budget deficit rules?
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I'm glad Sweden said no, hopefully the UK will say no too.

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Most Britsh Eurosceptics are wary of Europe because they think its too liberal...

Most Swedish Eurosceptics seem wary becuase its not liberal enough!

For me, Id love a more united Europe, Britian would gain from it, and I believe Europe would gain from Britian being a more active part of it too.

I think its very hard to forsee Britian voting to join the Euro though...not with a hugely hostile Press at work...much of it owned, btw, by non-Europeans...

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Most Britsh Eurosceptics are wary of Europe because they think its too liberal...
Only readers of the Daily Paranoid...sorry Daily Mail would think that!
No, I think it's our 'island mentality' at work: We don't want to hand our economy over to some faceless eurocrat in Brussels (no disrespect to the Belgians) who wasn't elected by us and is therefore unaccountable to us.
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Go sweden hah!

scandinavian countries knew that the swedes would say no...

coz of this, norway will probably wait even longer to hold another EU voting don't you think?

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But Murdoch...

He owns the best selling tabloid AND broadsheet papers in the land, papers which feign support for Labour if they think they will win, but in reality promote a deeply conservative, anti-European agenda...

As this extract concerning Murdoch's Sun newspaper from an article Ive found confirms...

"The 1990 offensive, launched on November 1 with the now infamous front-page headline "Up Yours Delors", was The Sun throwing its populist weight behind Margaret Thatcher's recent denunciation in Parliament of what she perceived as the determination of Jacques Delors and the European Commission to impose the Ecu and take Britain through "the back door to a federal Europe."

Even by The Sun's crude standards the November 1 issue was pretty strong. Alan Rusbridger, writing in The Guardian, acknowledged The Sun's long and successful tradition of being rude to foreigners - "The Wapping world is peopled by wops, eyties, spics, krauts, yanks, frogs, argies" but wrote that "seldom has it savaged one of its pet targets quite as viciously as it did yesterday", while Max Wilkinson, writing in The Financial Times, saw The Sun's "sickening chauvinism"as "an obvious, if wildly vulgarised, echo of what the prime minister was herself saying a few days earlier." A Labour M.E.P. called for the paper to be prosecuted for its " xenophobic racist attack", while Julian Critchley, Conservative MP for Aldershot denounced the article as "an appalling exercise in prejudice and bigotry." Meanwhile, Eurosceptic MPs were delighted, and Thatcher's press secretary Bernard Ingham expressed the view that "At root, it is expressing the prejudices and feelings of the average Brit. It all adds to the joy of nations."

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Only readers of the Daily Paranoid...sorry Daily Mail would think that!
No, I think it's our 'island mentality' at work: We don't want to hand our economy over to some faceless eurocrat in Brussels (no disrespect to the Belgians) who wasn't elected by us and is therefore unaccountable to us..
That seems to make a damn good amount of sense . I definately think Europe in general is too Liberal (borderline Communist). I might be able to stand living in the UK, but the rest of the continent is far too left for my liking. They'll go the way of Rome soon enough .

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That seems to make a damn good amount of sense . I definately think Europe in general is too Liberal (borderline Communist). I might be able to stand living in the UK, but the rest of the continent is far too left for my liking. They'll go the way of Rome soon enough .
Europe isn't the one who claim to be defensor of liberties or the most liberal place in the world as others do

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That seems to make a damn good amount of sense . I definately think Europe in general is too Liberal (borderline Communist). I might be able to stand living in the UK, but the rest of the continent is far too left for my liking. They'll go the way of Rome soon enough .
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That seems to make a damn good amount of sense . I definately think Europe in general is too Liberal (borderline Communist). I might be able to stand living in the UK, but the rest of the continent is far too left for my liking. They'll go the way of Rome soon enough .
Actually many European countries are governed by political parties that stand centre-right, whereas Britain's elected government is formed by the Labour Party which, as it's name implies, is a socialist organization; although Tony Blair's policies have become increasingly conservative (small 'c'), which are making him increasingly isolated within his party.
I think he's far more popular in America than he is here!

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That seems to make a damn good amount of sense . I definately think Europe in general is too Liberal (borderline Communist). I might be able to stand living in the UK, but the rest of the continent is far too left for my liking. They'll go the way of Rome soon enough .
What has allowing gays to marry, legalising euthanasia, etc. to do with communism?

Believe me, Europe is far from communist. A Chinese colleague of mine sent his young son back to China so that he wouldn't grow up under the terrible Western influence

Just because decision making here is based on more than just money issues, doesn't mean we're communists. I suggest you learn the difference between communism and socialism.

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