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Why the Religious Right is Right

Just suppose .... writing hasn't been invented, or at least wasn't in wide use, except among preist classes. Communication was strictly verbal. The North Africans hadn't trained Hippocrates and wouldn't for centuries.

Possibly Hunter-Gatherer culture. Maybe nomadic. The world is ravaged by plagues and drown and war.

Remember, religions are repositories of old knowledge. Often, the last remains of the core of once essential knowledge remains only in religions.

Plague are transmitted most often in humans through mucous membranes.

Now imagine over time, you came to note a few behaviours that lessened the likeliness of contracted certain diseases.

Monogamy.
Lifelong sexual partnerships.
Strict dietary laws.
Avoiding intoxicants.
Do not enjgage in homosexual behavior.
Etc etc , that sort of the thing.

Now suppose, over time, there's no plague, and people start forgetting to follow the riles. EVERYONE forgets WHY we should follow the rules. Plagues start to return.

Only it's 2000, 5000 years later. No one remembers why the rules are what they are. The people who set themselves up as arbitors of the rules are fools.

Perhaps one fourth of the citizenry say, 'Oh woe, these horrible plagues! We must put more resources into finding a cure!'

Another quarter of the citizenry say 'Just folow the rules. You're arrogant, just like at the Tower of Babel. Just shut the fuck up,and follow the rules."

"But I think ...."

"Shut up. Thinking is what got you here."

The of 50% of the citizenry just want to get high and not think about it.

The funny thing is, safer sex is a far better and more controllable solution than a bunch of rote laws people memorize and try to obey, never knowing why. But you lose the security of not having to think.

But when I really examine the anti-gay, anti-sex, marriage-as- permanent, monogamy is mandatory, intoxicants are evil culturla position, Ifiund it an excellent one. For a primitve society. It's clearly a way to avoid devastating plagues. Modern medecine and human imagination present us with rather a vaster array of choice is the plague control field. It's just that humans CREATE disease vectors, we don't get rid of them. Cars, smokestack pollution, anti-biotics in cattle feed, land mines, lawn chemicals runing off into drinking water, allthose things produce new vectors for disease. We're killing our selves in our own extravagance.

But the Religious Right IS Right, in a narrow way. If you shut up, don't think, and follow the rules the rules as they TEACH them, not as they do them, you'll genenrally avoid a lot of plagues. Not the airborn ones, but you'll be pretty safe on human-to-human contact. Same dealwith 'don't eat pork'. Turns out there are diseases and germs that infect both pigs and humans. But the 'don't eat pork' mantra has been around for a thousand years in some cultures.

They just can't give you a good reason why, beyond, 'it's bad'.

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erm, okay.
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This is something I have often thought of. Most ancient religious doctrine was a direct result of practical real-world needs of that time.

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Phew.
When I read the thread title I was preparing to fire off a tirade against the influence of the Religious Right in modern politics, lol, but now I see what you mean.

You could also mention inbreeding. It must have been noted by early civilized cultures, that if there is a close blood tie between a couple, any resulting progeny are likely to turn out wrong, so they had the foresight to forbid such partnerships through religious law.

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You could also mention inbreeding. It must have been noted by early civilized cultures, that if there is a close blood tie between a couple, any resulting progeny are likely to turn out wrong, so they had the foresight to forbid such partnerships through religious law.
Yes, a very good example. And after a while, the prohibition loses all attachment to reason, and becomes instead a taboo. Don't do it, don't talk about it, don't question it.

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Inbreeding, well that was livley and well in the English Royal family, They were Protestants. and thus Protestants were one of the last denominations to pass through the inbreeding was immoral (I don't think it has been doctrined legally though)
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Uhm inbreeding was lively and well in ALL royal families no matter what religien they were.
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Yes, and thats why all European Royal Families are related usually together not by just marrage but by also inbreeding. Though anyway I didn't want to debate that anyhoo. I was just merley stating the fact that the English Royal Family is predominatly protestant and that protestants were one of the last denominations to discriminate against inbreeding or un-lawfull condemn it.
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Uhm inbreeding was lively and well in ALL royal families no matter what religien they were.
True. ALL the royal families of Europe were/are blood related.
The English, German and Russian royals were the closest related, but now the foreigner with the best claim to the English throne is the King of Norway.
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Oh ok, I don't know enough about protestantism to comment on that.

BTW Rothes, if you don't mind me asking, do you belong to a particular religion? I ask because I see you're from Switzerland and I've always thought most Swiss were Calvinists. Probably because I associate Calvin with Geneva. But some time ago I saw a documentary on TV about the Swiss Garde in the Vatican and they mentioned that in fact Catholics are still a majority in Switzerland, albeit a small majority. Is that true?
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wow Harold Halfdansson closest to the English Throne?
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BTW Rothes, if you don't mind me asking, do you belong to a particular religion? I ask because I see you're from Switzerland and I've always thought most Swiss were Calvinists. Probably because I associate Calvin with Geneva. But some time ago I saw a documentary on TV about the Swiss Garde in the Vatican and they mentioned that in fact Catholics are still a majority in Switzerland, albeit a small majority. Is that true?
Hi Josh

Yes I am a catholic (A practicing one aswell) (you know the Church every sunday twice a day, Organizing Youth Group) Choir of Geneva etc, have been bought up as one by my parents.

Calvinism, also known as Reformed theology, is a system of biblical interpretation that focuses on the supreme sovereignty of God, His majesty, His holiness, etc. It relates this to man's fallen, sinful nature. Because of the great chasm between God and man and because of man's fallen nature, God must predestine people into salvation...or none would be saved. Therefore, salvation is the work of God and we are the mere recipients of His gracious election.

Roman Catholicsm is the major denomination in Switzerland. You will find when you are in the Swiss Speaking Part of Switzerland ie: Geneve, Lusanne, Leman and the Major Swiss Cantons the predominant Denomination is Catholic, probably as much as 90% and only around
5-6% Protestant. In The German Cantons and speaking parts, ie Basle, Zurich, Bern, Zug etc (lets just say most of Switzerland) Protestant is the main Denomination, here where talking about 50%, Roman Catholics are the next in the low 30's, In the South (Italian Speaking) It is basicially Roman Catholic (98-99%) In the east particulary Grison, St Moritz, St Gotthard, Santis and St Gallen, Protestant is the influence there. (Then in Grison is the Romansch/Helvetics) who could be considered calvinists.

In all Switzerland is made up of about even protestant-roman catholic population, roman-catholic probably is a little larger in practice then protestantism.

Calvinists, well thats like Switzerland's little own relgion you could say, When you come to Switzerland you will notice that it's loosing existence, and your right, you will find most of the traditions and beliefs in the Geneve/Western part of Switzerland.
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wow Harold Halfdansson closest to the English Throne?
The closest FOREIGNER yes.
But he's actually 60th overall.
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