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First gay high school opens in NYC

N E W Y O R K, July 28— A small alternative public school program has been expanded into a full-fledged school for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender students.

The Harvey Milk High School, an expansion of a 1984 city program consisting of two small classrooms for gay students, will enroll about 100 students and will open in the fall.

"I think everybody feels that it's a good idea because some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said at a briefing today. "It lets them get an education without having to worry. It solves a discipline problem. And from a pedagogical point of view, this administration — and previous administrations — have thought it was a good idea and we'll continue with that."

The school, at 2 Astor Place in the East Village, is undergoing a $3.2 million renovation approved by the old Board of Education last year.

The Hetrick-Martin Institute, a gay-rights youth advocacy group that has managed and financed the program since its inception, has hired William Salzman as principal of the new school.

Salzman is a former Wall Street executive who most recently served as assistant principal of guidance and business at Brooklyn's Automotive High School.

Salzman told the New York Post in today's editions that the school will be academically challenging and will follow Schools Chancellor Joel Klein's mandatory English and math programs. It also will specialize in computer technology, arts and culinary arts.

Program Draws Some Criticism

State Conservative Party Chairman Mike Long criticized the creation of the school.

"Is there a different way to teach homosexuals? Is there gay math? This is wrong," Long told the Post. "There's no reason these children should be treated separately."

On its Web site, the Hetrick-Martin Institute describes the Harvey Milk School as "the nation's first accredited public high school designed to meet the needs of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and questioning youth (LGBTQ)."

It says the school "offers LGBTQ youth an opportunity to obtain a secondary education in a safe and supportive environment. … We believe that success requires the ability to respect and value the diverse human community."

The school is named after San Francisco's first openly gay city supervisor, Harvey Milk, who was assassinated in 1978 along with Mayor George Moscone.
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yeah so you keep discrimination high

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why are we so obsessed with separating everyone and placing them in their own little groups? why not teach tolerance instead? im sorry, but i cant see how this can possibly be good in the long run.


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I guess when I was a teenager I would have been tempted by a school like this. However, I don’t think isolation is the right thing to do. It is surely not an easy question…
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I am saddened by this. They should call this high school separist high. But the way gays are often mistreated in schools and in society is deplorable!

From the just curious department. Are the teachers supposed to be gay, too?

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I agree with decemberlove! Doesn't this kind of school stigmatise even more?

It's not as if being gay is a disability!

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in a normal public highschool the gay students are isolated by themselves, not in a group.... teenagers take one gay kid, single him out, and harrass them in many cases till they throw themselves in front of a train or cut their wrists

yes this is seperating them from other students, but not from each other... so at least they have each other for support... the world wants us to feel like we dont belong, well this is somebody's answer to that

i think before you really come down hard on this idea, you should be prepared to think of a better solution to stop kids from being brutally beaten and degraded in public schools..... educating people hasn't worked... books for kids about sexuality get banned, teachers who talk about homosexuality get fired, etc.

yeah there are negatives to this, but they are far outweighed in my personal opinion by the negatives of a single gay kid being tortured emotionally and physically day in, day out, by people who claim he/she doesn't belong

i dont look at this as proving their case...i look at it as a temperary solution until somebody else knows how to change the world's opinion about us.... and i would have attended

people of different races have their own neighbourhoods and schools where they are the majority... this appears to be the same in my opinion
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I dont think this is a good idea at all. I really think it will hurt those kids in the long run even if it helps them for the time being.
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why are we so obsessed with separating everyone and placing them in their own little groups? why not teach tolerance instead? im sorry, but i cant see how this can possibly be good in the long run.
Unfortuantely, tolerance can't be taught, and teachers shouldn't have to be babysitters. It is unfortunate, but alot of teenagers (public school ones in particular) love picking apart those who are different. I think this is a great solution, because as has been stated, the alternatives are to either lose all self esteem and kill themselves, or isolate themselves completely (drop out/home school). It is unfortunate, but it is definately a good idea.

One question: What do they mean by "questioning"? Maybe questioning whether you are one of the other 4? If so, doesn't everyone go through a "questioning" phase? (at least that is what I have heard)

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A gay high school ? That' s really " weird " ? I personally think that it isn' t a good solution, in that case why not a school for ginger, blond and vrown people ? Ok, I extrapole, but I think it isn' t the right solution ! I personallt have gays friend, I' ve meet in school, they learn me a lot, and I think I learned them a lot too ..... We can live in happiness, joy and cerenity together no ? That' s only my point of view, but I think I' m right .....

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Then you may as well have a seperate high school for obese kids as well? They're beaten as well, they're laughed at, they're excluded from many things.

Where does all this seperation end, then?

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i think comparing the abuse obese kids receive in comparison to openly gay kids is a really big stretch
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Unfortuantely, tolerance can't be taught, and teachers shouldn't have to be babysitters. It is unfortunate, but alot of teenagers (public school ones in particular) love picking apart those who are different. I think this is a great solution, because as has been stated, the alternatives are to either lose all self esteem and kill themselves, or isolate themselves completely (drop out/home school). It is unfortunate, but it is definately a good idea.
public/private, doesnt matter, teenagers will be teenagers. theres always something to pick on someone else about, punks, jocks, druggies, skin color, culture, weight, etc should we all separate them into their own schools so they dont get hurt?

life is tough. it doesnt get much better after high school. kids are becoming far too sensitive nowadays. if you cant deal with high school, then you cant deal with life later on, and maybe you just dont belong here.

and why stop at high schools? why not extend this to college, and hell, even JOBS? and neighborhoods too. lets just separate everyone, maybe then well have an utopian society cos no ones feelings will be hurt. where does it all stop??


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I think this is a bad idea, a separate school? It's no worse than sepratism that was going on in the 60s. The only way to heal the world is to teach everyone in the same schools, the same things. Teach them love and peace... Don't teach them to go to a school full of students exactly like them.. They'll never learn anything.

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I don't like this idea either for the reasons already stated in this thread; yes, it is an alternative, but not a good one in the long run. What Bacardi says, I agree with...
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