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Unhappy Actor's Daughter-In-Law Among Victims of Santa Monica Crash Horror

Among the 10 victims (a 7 month old baby boy died today from his injuries) of the Santa Monica crash horror was Lynne Ann Weaver, daugher-in-law of acotr Dennis Weaver. For those who are old enough to remember, he starred in the 1970's US TV series McCloud.

The person responsible for this tragedy is an 86 year old man, who, in my opinion, should have not been behind the wheel, especially since he needed a cane to help him walk.
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This is just a terribly sad story! Some kind of senior citizen driving legislation has to come out of this tragedy. I recently heard a story about an 80 year old man in New York getting his drivers license renewed for 8 years! And that's ridiculous! Something has to be done to monitor the driving of the elderly.

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There is no reason why someone over the age of 80 should get his/her licnese renewed for 8 years. Two, maybe and I am being generous.
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Some people who are in their 80's:

1. Haven't had a written or road driving test in over 60 years, or probably ever.

2. Have worse vision and reflexes than people who are drunk at twice the legal limit.

IMO, at age 65 drivers should be required to do another written or road test, as well as have their vision tested. After that, vision every 5 years but no more written or road should be required.

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They should give them some kind of incentive for turning in their licenses- like a lifetime bus pass.
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The problem lies with the fact that if you take away their driving priviledges some elderly would be left with no means of transportation to get groceries or go to the doctor or any other kind of freedom they are not ready to give up.

Its a sad case all around. The elderly are way more dangerous to others than teenagers behind the wheel.

I know of a local case where a guy on his motorcycle got hit by this elderly who didn't see and turned on to the road and ran over him. The guy on the motorcycle was only doing around 35mph. The old guy was just blind.

On the downlow, My mom can't see either she's 68. She can drive in extremely familiar areas, ie to work and Walmart. However, we forbid her to drive at night. We just don't let her do it. I actually have to get off my lazy butt and drive her places if she wants to go somewhere at night.
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You're a good girl, Rocketta! I knew it all along. You take good care of your mother. And you makes good points about elderly drivers. It really is a sad situation.

Bit when you say your mother can't see, I hope you mean she has something like 20/40 vision.

All of the posters in this thread make sensible points. But why can't someone in power do something about it? Do we have to wait on politicians to make new motor vehicle laws for the elderly?

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Its a sad case all around. The elderly are way more dangerous to others than teenagers behind the wheel.
Really? For every driving fatality involving an elderly driver there are many involving teenage drivers. The elderly may often have problems with suspect visual judgment and slow reflexes, but they usually make up for it with experience and caution. The combination of inexperience and testerone in many young male drivers is at least as dangerous.

There seems to be a lot of ageist prejudice in this thread.

Maybe only people aged between 25 and 45, when they have some life experience but have not yet started to become decrepit, should be allowed to drive. As for people with disabilities such as having a bad leg....let them hop around.

Nah, I don't think so.

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You're a good girl, Rocketta! I knew it all along. You take good care of your mother. And you makes good points about elderly drivers. It really is a sad situation.

Bit when you say your mother can't see, I hope you mean she has something like 20/40 vision.

All of the posters in this thread make sensible points. But why can't someone in power do something about it? Do we have to wait on politicians to make new motor vehicle Laws for the elderly?
Awww,

No, she had a stroke in one eye so her glasses can't correct that eye and she has blurry vision and no peripheral vision in it.

I haven't a clue what her vision is with her glasses?
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All of the posters in this thread make sensible points. But why can't someone in power do something about it? Do we have to wait on politicians to make new motor vehicle Laws for the elderly?
You don't pass laws to restrict the elderly. Like many minorities, the elderly vote on their hot-button issues. There are lots of them, and they typically have a high turnout. Plus, many younger (18-49) voters might see a government passing laws like that as "mean".

Democracy is great, but one of the many pitfalls of it is that sometimes doing the right thing can cost you your job.

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You don't pass laws to restrict the elderly. Like many minorities, the elderly vote on their hot-button issues. There are lots of them, and they typically have a high turnout. Plus, many younger (18-49) voters might see a government passing laws like that as "mean".

Democracy is great, but one of the many pitfalls of it is that sometimes doing the right thing can cost you your job.
blah, i was gonna say the same thing.

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There seems to be a lot of ageist prejudice in this thread.
Joiussant, a 16 year old who is legally blind cannot get a drivers licence. Are you saying that someone who used to be able to see well enough to drive should be put in charge of a potentially lethal instrument?

If someone is confined to a wheelchair due to multiple sclerosis, they shouldn't be employed as a lifeguard because lives are at risk. Have compassion for people who lose their mobility, sight, reflexes, ior anything else we often take for granted. Don't let your compassion endager people. I work in the car business. I see old people who shouldn't be driving, and old people who should be driving. Young people who are dangerous drivers drive like assholes, and that is something neither a vision test nor a road test can discover, so there is little you can do about it. Old people who are dangerous drivers are easy to spot.

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Really? For every driving fatality involving an elderly driver there are many involving teenage drivers. The elderly may often have problems with suspect visual judgment and slow reflexes, but they usually make up for it with experience and caution. The combination of inexperience and testerone in many young male drivers is at least as dangerous.

There seems to be a lot of ageist prejudice in this thread.

Maybe only people aged between 25 and 45, when they have some life experience but have not yet started to become decrepit, should be allowed to drive. As for people with disabilities such as having a bad leg....let them hop around.

Nah, I don't think so.
Ah I said to "others". I didn't say they have more accidents than teenagers. However, teenagers kill themselves, Old people take "others" out. Teenagers still have the most accidents and they might have the highest mortality rate in vehicle accindents, I don't know. That is not what I was speaking to. Almost all of the elderly accidents I have heard of has resulted in the elderly person killing someone else and walking away from the accident like nothing just happened. That is scarily similar to a lot of the DUI's where they alchi-Row walks away with a few scratches.

Teenagers are dangerous drivers and I'm all for the restrictions that are put on them. Here in NC a 16yr can't drive by himself for like 6 months or so. They can't drive later than a certain hour and as their experience increases they get more privilidges. The don't become full-priviledged drivers until they are 18. Now Frankly after a certain age and loss of agility older persons should have restrictions put on. I'm sorry but if someone's hearing is failing and their eyesight is failing what are they relying on out there to prevent accidents?? How are they keeping track of the traffic around them without at least one of these senses being in top shape?

Don't get me wrong, I understand why older people still want to drive and absolutely need to drive. That is why I said it is sad all around because they are not ready to give up their freedom and that is what having a car and a license is its Freedom.

Also, extremely slow drivers are just as much problems as over zealous, extreme agressive drivers. I've seen so many near head on collisions because an older person driving 35 in a 55 has cars back up to Kallamazoo.
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Okay a few points.

First, I put my post the way I did because there seemed to be very little looking at it from the viewpoint of the elderly, who would probably think of themselves as pretty safe drivers and think that younger people are the dangerous ones.

I am not actually opposed to compulsory eye tests every few years, for all drivers.

However, most posters on this board are so young that even their parents are relatively young people, i.e. in their 30s or 40s. By contrast, I am old enough that my mum and dad fall into the "elderly" category, and I must say they don't strike me as a menace on the road, because they are aware of their limitations. I think that is the case with most elderly drivers.

There's a tendency here to think of elderly people as "the other", to be resented or, at best, pitied. I think that's a shame.

By all means let's make sure that drivers are safe on the road. Actually, I have enough experience with the US to know how basic the practical driving tests are over there (compared with how strict, even pedantic, they are here in Australia). I'd have no objection to everyone having to take a basic, US-style driving test every few years to ensure they are essentially safe to allow behind the wheel. That would meet the problem without being discriminatory.

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