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Racism, nazism, homophobia at World Cup



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FIFA is investigating alleged homophobic and racist chants from fans of four countries taking part in the World Cup, including Mexico and Brazil.

Football's governing body is specifically looking into homophobic chants made against Cameroon players in Mexico's opening Group A match. According to Soccerly, chanting the word “puto” (a derogatory term aimed at homosexuals) has become a Mexican tradition at soccer stadiums, even if the word is seldom used in typical conversation. Mexican fans have been known to aim their jeers at opposing keepers during goal kicks. The video depicts Brazilian fans imitating Mexico's "puto" chant, which was on display at the 2010 World Cup as well, although little was reported on it.

FIFA has already begun to consider disciplinary measures against Mexico, and it's concerned about the behavior spreading to fans of other countries. Along with Brazil, FIFA is investigating alleged racist and anti-Semitic banners being flown by fans of Russia and Croatia as well.

First-time offenders can be punished, according to the BBC, by playing a game behind closed doors. Serial offenders could be punished by “deducting points, relegation, or expulsion from a competition.”

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FIFA has already begun to consider disciplinary measures against Mexico, and it's concerned about the behavior spreading to fans of other countries. Along with Brazil, FIFA is investigating alleged racist and anti-Semitic banners being flown by fans of Russia and Croatia as well.

First-time offenders can be punished, according to the BBC, by playing a game behind closed doors. Serial offenders could be punished by “deducting points, relegation, or expulsion from a competition.”
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Re: Mexico accused of racism and homophobia

How does "some Mexican fans" become "Mexico accused of"?


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*The use of the word "puto" as an insult in Mexican culture is misogynist in nature as it is used not to describe a homosexual, but more commonly to label a man as a coward. Coward in this case meaning one who does not perform in a manly manner therefore he behaves like a woman.

Again, it would be great to see people using some balance rather than just knee-jerk reacting. The word is being used in a way more sexist then "homophobic."

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I don't think CBS knows what it is talking about.

It is one thing to punish a country playing at home, but if CBS thinks FIFA is going to punish the Mexican team playing in Brazil, forget about it.
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How does "some Mexican fans" become "Mexico accused of"?
You could take that further by asking how does Mexico get accused of racism, when the offending banners were carried by Russians and Croats.
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I don't think CBS knows what it is talking about.

It is one thing to punish a country playing at home, but if CBS thinks FIFA is going to punish the Mexican team playing in Brazil, forget about it.
Where is CBS mentioned?

Anyway, Mexican fans should be called out for this if it happened.
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In the byline to the story.
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Black identity and racism collide in Brazil at World Cup

Black Identity and Racism Collide in Brazil

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Many Black Brazilians don’t think of themselves as Black. Brazilian soccer star Neymar is a great example. Asked during an interview in 2010 if he had ever experienced racism, his response was, “Never.” He added, “Not inside nor outside of the soccer field. Even more because I’m not Black, right?”

This denial of Blackness may seem confusing to many Americans, because despite his long, straightened and occasionally blond hair, Neymar is clearly Black. But for Brazilians, being Black is very different from what it is in the United States.

“The darker a person is in Brazil, the more racism she or he is going to suffer. Light-skinned Black people don’t identify as Black most of the time,” says Daniela Gomes, a Black Brazilian activist who is currently pursuing a doctorate in African Diaspora studies at the University of Texas. “A lot of people choose to deny their Blackness. They don’t believe they are Black, but they suffer racism without knowing why.”

Gomes calls it a “brainwash” that Brazilians go through in a country that likes to hold itself up as a model for racial harmony. But she also points to differences in the histories of the United States and Brazil. “We never had segregation, we never had the one-drop rule, we never had those kinds of things that are so normal for an African American,” she said. “What happened in Brazil was the opposite.”

Integration and miscegenation were actually government policy in Brazil. Around the time that slaves were freed, in 1888, the government sought to whiten its population through the importation of European immigrants. This idea was made law by Decree 528 in 1890 and opened the country’s borders to foreign immigrants, except for those from Africa and Asia.

Neymar, whose son looks very similar to the grandson in “The Redemption of Ham,” seems to have had quite a different experience in the four years since saying that he wasn’t Black. The star forward has been subjected to monkey noises made by his own teammates, had multiple bananas thrown at him during international matches and even confronted an opposing coach he thought called him a monkey during a game.

That harassment may have been at the heart of a campaign he started after fellow Brazilian team member Dani Alves had a banana thrown at him by fans during a match in Spain. Rather than protest, Alves picked up the banana, peeled it and ate it, then continued playing. Later, Neymar posted a photo to Instagram of himself and his son holding bananas with the slogan, “Somos todos macacos” (“We are all monkeys”).

“The comparison between blacks and monkeys is racist in its essence,” wrote Brazilian activist and history professor Douglas Belchior on his NegroBelchior blog. “However, many people don’t understand the seriousness of using the monkey as an offense, as an insult to black people.”

This can be a particularly complex issue in a country full of people whom outsiders see as black but who don’t think of themselves as such. That divide is evidenced by growing monkey taunts of black players and officials in Brazil.

In March, Brazilian midfielder Marcos Arouca da Silva was called a monkey during a postgame interview, an event that he said wasn’t an isolated incident. Brazilian referee Marcio Chagas da Silva says he’s been subjected to more than 200 racially based attacks during his career refereeing matches in the country. During a recent game between Brazilian clubs Esportivo and Veranopolis, fans reportedly yelled at him from the stands, “You belong in a circus. Go back to the forest, you monkey.”
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How does "some Mexican fans" become "Mexico accused of"?


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Again, it would be great to see people using some balance rather than just knee-jerk reacting. The word is being used in a way more sexist then "homophobic."
Maybe there should be a requirement that our thread titles be the same as the link posted.

Then again, I guess we are guilty of participating in the "racegasm" that williamser enjoys on this website.

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Then again, I guess we are guilty of participating in the "racegasm" that williamser enjoys on this website.
I don't post nearly as many race-based threads that you, mykarma, JN, etc post.
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I don't post nearly as many race-based threads that you, mykarma, JN, etc post.
No, you post much, much more.

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How does "some Mexican fans" become "Mexico accused of"?


Also, from the link:


Again, it would be great to see people using some balance rather than just knee-jerk reacting. The word is being used in a way more sexist then "homophobic."
Could you please list for us all the meanings of the word, "bitch"? Or does only one or two meanings matter according to your detached online "link" research?
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No, you post much, much more.
That quote of Williamsser clearly displays the intent of all his posts. His mind is so twisted that race is all he sees... intricacies escape his simple mind, so he lashes out in the only way he knows how to.

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You could take that further by asking how does Mexico get accused of racism, when the offending banners were carried by Russians and Croats.
i think it's easy to tell why. mexican immigrants are discriminated against by racist bigots in the us, so showing that mexicans are also racist is very important to racist bigots. croats and russians are just too far away.

i think this genius once started a thread in which they tried to paint a debate about use of foreign players in the mexican league as a sign of anti-immigration sentiment in mexico the context of the discussion was of course whether local clubs should invest more in developing local talent.

anyway, it's not only a few fans that shouted "puto" at the opposition goalie. the basic meaning of "puto" is male prositute and it's used for anyone who isn't manly enough, a coward and can also be used for a homosexual but i think it's a bit of a stretch to consider these shouts clearly homophobic. in some other countries people shout "son of a whore/bitch" in the same way, when the opposition goalie is performing a goal kick. neither is nice but i think it's obvious what the intended message is.
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I don't post nearly as many race-based threads that you, mykarma, JN, etc post.
You are lying.

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Re: FIFA looking into alleged homophobic chants from Mexico fans, others

Puto doesn't mean fag, it means fucker. Maricón/Joto is the equivalent of fag in México.

The FIFA doesn't even know what they're going after.
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