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sad but true, those people who died are nobody so people do not pay as much attention as to this case, but that does not mean people has no compassion.
It's what passes for compassion in this mass-media age.
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He's giving evidence right at this minute and hasn't got to the actual shooting yet.

His testimony and, sorrow so far rings genuine to me.

I agree with a previous poster - I don't think he's a cold blooded murderer. I have a feeling what happened but I'll wait to hear his full version of what happened.
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I've thought so since the start. I haven't caught up on the latest with the trial since before the arrest, but nothing changes the facts now does it?

Even if he thought it was an intruder he should still go down for murder anyway. He wasn't acting in self-defense.
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Actually I did read in the paper a while back that text conversations between Oscar/Reeva were released or something, and they made him sound like a jealous possessive boyfriend. In extreme cases of that, yeah the possessive partner can get violent if their partner tries to leave them.
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He's giving evidence right at this minute and hasn't got to the actual shooting yet.

His testimony and, sorrow so far rings genuine to me.

I agree with a previous poster - I don't think he's a cold blooded murderer. I have a feeling what happened but I'll wait to hear his full version of what happened.
he may have regretted for killing the poor woman and i also don't think he is a cold-blooded person. However, i am almost certain that he knew she was in the toilet instead of the intruder so no matter how sorry he looks now, he still is a murderer and is lying. If he wants the poor girl to rest in peace, he should tell the truth that he killed her out of rage, instead of assuring to her mum that she died knowing she was being "loved", how ironic, poor mum

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Murderer is the correct word I suppose, but I think his tears about Reeva are real. He's no Cold Killer, but an impulsive man with anger problems. If he hadn't had had a gun, he would've come to his senses before trying to kill her with a blunt weapon, or his hands.

Not defending him though, still a horrible thing to do no matter the reason or rage.
His tears are probably not just for Reeva, but also for himself.

I am really not sure you can blame this one on guns. There is nothing to say he wouldn't have tried to stab her with a kitchen knife or a chainsaw.. just saying.

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His tears are probably not just for Reeva, but also for himself.

I am really not sure you can blame this one on guns. There is nothing to say he wouldn't have tried to stab her with a kitchen knife or a chainsaw.. just saying.
Yes, the tears would also be for himself, with what has happened to his life. I'm not blaming guns, the point I'm making is that in a moment of pure rage, it's so much easier to pick up a gun than shoot, rather than go to the kitchen, grab a knife, break down the door, then see her face as he's stabbing her. Not only does it require more time(in which he could come to his senses, or calm down)but it would be much harder for a sane person to murder someone with a knife, which is brutal, and more morally involved, as you are physically doing this to the person, whether as with a gun, he just had to reach under his bed, take a few shots, without seeing her face.

Beating or knifing is so much more brutal, physical, time consuming(I know that sounds bad, but what I mean is he could calm down and think with more time) and Morally digusting, than a few quick shots with a gun.
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Actually I did read in the paper a while back that text conversations between Oscar/Reeva were released or something, and they made him sound like a jealous possessive boyfriend. In extreme cases of that, yeah the possessive partner can get violent if their partner tries to leave them.
Yes, I heard on the day Reeva had been calling an ex bf or something. Some say that Oscar was jealous when he found out and that's why he could've done it.
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Even if he thought it was an intruder he should still go down for murder anyway. He wasn't acting in self-defense.
Exactly. Even if his version of events rings true, then he still shot somebody multiple times who wasn't presenting a direct threat to him.

And he's not a cold-blooded killer, he's a raging hothead with serious anger issues which is hardly a preferable alternative.
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Where is the hard to say option?


I think he's guilty and would be very surprised if he wasn't found guilty.
I won't be surprise either way. Afterall money talks and bullshit walks.

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Murderer is the correct word I suppose, but I think his tears about Reeva are real. He's no Cold Killer, but an impulsive man with anger problems. If he hadn't had had a gun, he would've come to his senses before trying to kill her with a blunt weapon, or his hands.

Not defending him though, still a horrible thing to do no matter the reason or rage.
I don't think it matters whether someone is a cold killer or not the victim is still dead and Oscar has enough money to get help for his anger if he so chose to do so.

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he may have regretted for killing the poor woman and i also don't think he is a cold-blooded person. However, i am almost certain that he knew she was in the toilet instead of the intruder so no matter how sorry he looks now, he still is a murderer and is lying. If he wants the poor girl to rest in peace, he should tell the truth that he killed her out of rage, instead of assuring to her mum that she died knowing she was being "loved", how ironic, poor mum
He sounds like the average domestic abuser that's always sorry when it's over or he overcomes his rage.

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How about an option "let the courts decide"?

Seen too many people villified or exonerated in the court of public opinion by people who had no idea what they were talking about.
The trial is being televised so the general public is certainly getting enough info to discuss the trial and make a judgment based on the info. that's being presented.

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sad but true, those people who died are nobody so people do not pay as much attention as to this case, but that does not mean people has no compassion.
True and people think they personally know celebrities.

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The trial is being televised so the general public is certainly getting enough info to discuss the trial and make a judgment based on the info. that's being presented.
My mind goes back to the infamous Lindy Chamberlain trial, where there was no shortage of information available to anybody who was seriously interested in separating established fact from public and media speculation. Years later, when all the dust had cleared and the terrible damage had already been done, the arguments that were used to support the conclusion of Lindy's "guilt" beggar belief, but at the time most people appeared to believe that the "facts" were clear and the conclusion of guilt undeniable. Bottom line is that most lay people are not qualified to make that kind of distinction.

I'm not suggesting that this trial is comparable to that horrendous and lurid witch-hunt, but the same question can be asked now as could and should have been asked then: what purpose is served by all this speculation? There is no wider public interest at stake, this is at its basis simply a sad domestic drama.
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