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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old Apr 18th, 2003, 12:36 AM Thread Starter
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Carl Lewis is a sack of shit

I think this statement deserves its own thread. I remember thinking what a whiny punk he was in the lead-up to the 1988 Olympics. Because he was getting his ass whipped by Ben Johnson on a regular basis and all but publically accusing Ben of doping. I remember comments like "You see some guys have gotten a lot faster lately, and you see the symptoms, and you know." He was obviously finger-pointing at Ben. Then when the big race came and he got punked again, an odd thing happened. After something like 2 years of taking steroids, Ben Johnson suddenly got caught for the first time ever. Carl got to celebrate his Gold medal and reiterate to everyone how this was a victory for clean athletes and how Ben had been cheating him. Well...

Fucking douchebag.

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Carl Lewis has been revealed to be one of the people given a free ride by the USOC after failed drug tests. Leading up to the 1988 Olympics.

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Yeah, for having a low level (it seems) of pseudoephedrine, a mild stimulant, at some point prior to the Olympics. This is the sort of thing you could get from taking a couple of Sudafeds for a cold, and there is no evidence that he was using any stimulant in competition.

Are you really saying that what Lewis probably did - i.e. took a few cold tablets while in training - is morally equivalent to abusing steroids for muscle gain?

That's like saying that I can't criticise a rapist or murderer because I have some parking tickets myself and thus I am also "a criminal".

There's a whole thread on this in GM. Maybe you should express your views there. Some people seem to agree with you and think that Carl Lewis and Mary Joe Fernandez deserve to be stigmatised as drug cheats. Personally, I think that is very naive.

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Well, it must have had some beneficial effect to have kept on turning up on Lewis, his training partner, etc. At least MJ came clean with a plausible story, rather than avoiding comment. And at least she didn't spend her whole career crying about how she was battling against drug cheats.

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quite sad that you are try to use carl lewis' actions as a justification for ben johnson ttaking steriods. he may have whinged, but he was right wasn't he? obviously lewis did nothing to warrant action from the international governing body so why does it matter if the USOC tried to cover things up? how could they? are you saying the USOC gave him masking agents? and if so i think this story would have got just a little bit more press. the USOC don't conduct the official drug tests. ben johnson kicked his arse, but he was a drug cheat and has never been proved not to be. you are fighting a losing battle here, especially when it just happens to say in your location profile that you are canadian. i don't like carl lewis, but your argument is very weak. you would be just better off saying he is a dick head and not bringing up baseless allegations
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it's strange...on this board you all only talk of the pseudo-ephedrine with carl lewis, while he is accused of having used three products: pseudo-ephedrine, ephedrine and fenylpropanolamine( don't know how you say it in english), + the fact the "coughing-syrup" theory is strongly to be suspected when you know that for example joe DeLoach and Andre Philips were caught with EXACTLY the same products......

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Well, maybe the three of them were all taking the same cough mixture.

That said, I suppose we've focused on the pseudoephedrine because we've been more interested in Mary Joe Fernandez than in Carl Lewis. As far as I know, the allegations in respect of Mary Joe relate only to pseudoephedrine. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It would be interesting to know exactly what was in Lewis's sample, in what amounts, how it compares with what was in cold tablets and cough syrups at the time etc. Perhaps there has been a horrible cover up, but I can't help feel that the facts must have been such as to suggest merely inadvertent, not negligent or imprudent etc, use as understood by the standards of 1988.

Maybe I'm wrong and dh is right; maybe Lewis is as guilty as hell. Fact is, he didn't get a hearing at the time and it's too late now.

And, even taken at its worst, I suspect it would only have got Lewis and the others a warning (whereas, in competition, he might have been disqualified from the event). At any rate, it in no way helps Ben Jonson, who was certainly guilty of something much worse.

Rand: If you know more about the rules re these substances, and how the rules were interpreted and applied back in 1988, please tell us. I'm not too proud to learn something.

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unfortunately I can not help you further I'm not specialised in drugs (though I know a lot more about what's used in the cycling world, athletics just isn't really my domain)
the point is, I'm not sure at all, but the story seems strange enough.....
when at least 37 athletes of a country in the same period are tested positive on similar products, I think its normal people start to get more than suspicious.....but it would indeed be wise to wait if we hear anything about the (in)famous coughing syrup before accusing them too fast.....

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Well if there was need to cover it up, I'm pretty sure it wasn't cough syrup they took

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what I would say is... we all know ephedrine is good for masking other products (actually it's its main use....) so the fact that was found, and they didn't make further analysis at that time is really a hint that there was something going on, that's why I'm suspicious.....

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just name me one athlete who doesn't take products
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you're right, but the point with lewsis is off course: remember the bashing he did on ben johnson when he was caught, and the fact he spent years doing as if he was "the" clean athlete, really making a point of it all the time....

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you're right, but the point with lewsis is off course: remember the bashing he did on ben johnson when he was caught, and the fact he spent years doing as if he was "the" clean athlete, really making a point of it all the time....
This is the big issue, not anything about Ben Johnson. Carl Lewis, even before the 1988 Olympics, wouldn't be satisfied with a medal podium. He had to put himself on a pedastal, and constantly remind us how far more moral he was than any of his competitors. Of course, this was long before he got arrested for driving pissed to the gills.

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One thing that I have discovered from years and years of these drug scandals: It seems that all world class Athletes take LOTS of cold medicine.

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