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Question American Flags In Iraq

First of all before I make my point....please don't turn this into an agressive thread. As I have posted before....my brother is over there as part of the Australian Navy....obviously I'm not happy about that...however perhaps for selfish reasons.

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I was wondering why twice now I have seen American flags being raised....one was hoisted upon a flag pole...another with a soldier waving the flag in the center of Bagdad (Edited) (today). If this is an allied attack...I have seen no other soldiers raising their flags.

It's not a US hate thing...if I saw an Australian raise our flag I would be equally annoyed. There is no pride in war.

This war is about reforming a nation that has been run by a nasty dictator (no-one disagrees with that), I would have thought raising a flag is the same as throwing a flag on the moon...or claiming free land on horseback in history.

This is my own oppinion...which I have every right to....it's what we are nulling Saddams scheme for isn't it? To allow people a voice? (for all those that are going to abuse me...thought I would get in first....if you post something subjective I will try and reply)

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kabul?

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Opps....Bagdad...my bad sorry.....they were talking about Kabul on this show as well.

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Well now I feel like a dick-head....but at least the first 2 posts held no agsressiveness

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We are a flag-happy bunch, aren't we?

I imagine part of it is the symbolism of "we're HERE - we're in control, not Hussein." Pretty common in war, I think.

I also think that as much as various anti-invasion nations/factions have accused the US of calling the shots and dragging it's allies along with it, most Americans would agree and see it as "ours" and they are proud of it. I don't think those soldiers meant it as an insult, but I get the impression most of them view this as an American campaign.

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We are a flag-happy bunch, aren't we?

I imagine part of it is the symbolism of "we're HERE - we're in control, not Hussein." Pretty common in war, I think.

I also think that as much as various anti-invasion nations/factions have accused the US of calling the shots and dragging it's allies along with it, most Americans would agree and see it as "ours" and they are proud of it. I don't think those soldiers meant it as an insult, but I get the impression most of them view this as an American campaign.
Yes I agree America is a very proud nation, nothing wrong with that at all. It may have happened many times in other wars too, but this has just been a media circus by every country...not just America.

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean...

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Shit do I have to edit it again? people know what I mean (now I changed it)

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean...
In what way griffin?

I guess my biggest concern is about retaliation by extremists (that live in every country) seeing what Media avenues wan't their audience to see. IMO

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I guess my biggest concern is about retaliation by extremists (that live in every country) seeing what Media avenues wan't their audience to see. IMO
Lol, I'm not arguing with you! I agree raising our flag in these instances is very problematic - no matter what our soldier's intentions are, and whther or not you think their pride is justified. I was just trying to explain why I think our troops are raising our flag.

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We are a flag-happy bunch, aren't we?

I imagine part of it is the symbolism of "we're HERE - we're in control, not Hussein." Pretty common in war, I think.

I also think that as much as various anti-invasion nations/factions have accused the US of calling the shots and dragging it's allies along with it, most Americans would agree and see it as "ours" and they are proud of it. I don't think those soldiers meant it as an insult, but I get the impression most of them view this as an American campaign.
Griff, it proves that dubya is a dyckhead, as if we didn't know that already. See slick Tony, who IS smart, made the point repeatedly (to duck the "UN question") about how the Iraqi people would be in charge. All "we" were doing was expelling Saddam and his "junta" from power. A flag denotes sovereignty, right? So perhaps Iraq's newfound "independence" will be as a client state, ala Q8. (Boi, yuo never answered: Where the fuck is the promised democracy there 12 years after it's "liberation"? Troof, now)!
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