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This is essentially how I feel about it. I hate to take a more practical approach to the situation, but who hasn't been enslaved or oppressed at some point?

Would you guys want to adopt an entire system to pay women back for being treated like second-class citizens for many, many, many, many generations? The patriarchal infrastructure of most of history has created a problem in gender imbalance that is still a real issue today.

And where exactly would the resources come from? If we're talking only about America, would it only be white, heterosexual males who would have to pay a special tax to make sure that that reparation is possible?
i suspect males who are descendants of union civil war soldiers would have some objection
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Didn't the Vatican once approve slavery in its papal bull? They should pay too.

I suspect American genealogists will benefit what with proving who's the descendants of the southern plantation owners and hence receiving consulting fees.
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This is essentially how I feel about it. I hate to take a more practical approach to the situation, but who hasn't been enslaved or oppressed at some point?

Would you guys want to adopt an entire system to pay women back for being treated like second-class citizens for many, many, many, many generations? The patriarchal infrastructure of most of history has created a problem in gender imbalance that is still a real issue today.

And where exactly would the resources come from? If we're talking only about America, would it only be white, heterosexual males who would have to pay a special tax to make sure that that reparation is possible?
You mean there were no gay slave owners?
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You mean there were no gay slave owners?
My point is that gay people were/are also victims of oppression. Or do they not deserve pay back? Maybe that can be a separate situation then? I just imagine that it would be current citizens who will have to shoulder this expense, and considering gay rights is the primary civil rights movement of today that that would need to be addressed as well, especially when that's the pool of people with the most disposable income. Maybe that's what we should do, make them pay the most because they have the most to spare. How's that for out-of-the-box thinking?
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Highly unlikely don't think Nicaragua have gotten their compensation after the ICJ ruling on the Contras so unlikely in this case unfortunately.
The ICJ should order the Bloody Brits to pay reparations for the starvation of so many Irish in the 1840s. Maybe the upcoming centennary of the 1916 Easter Rising makes for good timing to raise the issue there.
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i don't think there's enough wealth in britain to compensate all the colonies it looted in the past.
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i don't think there's enough wealth in britain to compensate all the colonies it looted in the past.

And don't forget about the Romans.

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And don't forget the Vikings!
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i don't think there's enough wealth in britain to compensate all the colonies it looted in the past.
Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Canada, Gibraltar? What the Brits did was to install the conditions for some of the colonies to be among the best countries in the world to live in.

Compare the Spanish and Portuguese in SA, the Russians in Eastern Europe.
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How about the Slavic countries, they were a favorite target for the slave markets for centuries, hence the name 'slav' came into being. Now who bought those, Islamic countries? Weren't they also sold all over Europe?
Actually they were bought mainly by muslim Arabs in the 8th century And I don't recall Slavs being sold all over Europe - when did that happen?

and the etymology of 'Slav' is not that simple. Slav partially comes from slovo (which means 'word' in slavic languages) or slava (fame).
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Actually they were bought mainly by muslim Arabs in the 8th century And I don't recall Slavs being sold all over Europe - when did that happen?

and the etymology of 'Slav' is not that simple. Slav partially comes from slovo (which means 'word' in slavic languages) or slava (fame).

This sounds like you are excusing slavery except for that practiced by Europeans. Is it because you hold Europeans to a higher standard than everybody else? If so that's a good example of the "soft" bigotry of low expectations.

For Dante, it follows then, that the only way to get into Hell is to insist upon it. One must deliberately exclude himself from grace by hardening his heart against it. Hell is what the damned have actively and insistently wished for.

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Fine the descendants? Yeah right.

The belief that man is an irresolute creature pulled this way and that by two forces of equal strength, alternately winning and losing the battle for his soul; the conviction that human life is nothing more than an uncertain struggle between heaven and hell; the faith in two opposed entities, Satan and Christ - all this was bound to engender those internal discords in which the mind, excited by the incessant fighting, stimulated as it were by the constant promises and threats, ends up by giving in and prostitutes itself to whichever of the two combatants has been more obstinate in its pursuit. Life isn't black and white, it's gold.
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This sounds like you are excusing slavery except for that practiced by Europeans. Is it because you hold Europeans to a higher standard than everybody else? If so that's a good example of the "soft" bigotry of low expectations.
I'm just stating the fact that Slavs were not anyone's 'property', were not sold etc. since Early Middle Ages when they were sold to Arabs I don't know what is your problem
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Actually they were bought mainly by muslim Arabs in the 8th century And I don't recall Slavs being sold all over Europe - when did that happen?

and the etymology of 'Slav' is not that simple. Slav partially comes from slovo (which means 'word' in slavic languages) or slava (fame).
I thought Slavs were sold Europe-wide, else how could English adopt the word, and doesn't English come from German roots too? (Serfs of Prussia were also Slavs methink?) Didn't the Vikings have a say in this.

Yeah I know Muslims imported them, then there must be a islam word related to 'slav', curious about this.

And yeah, maybe I'm wrong about the meaning of the slav; it being adopted to English, such as slave, slavish...is more accurate.
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