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I was thinking because they are smart, they would take the idea equality and respect for other races to heart and make it their one as adults.


But they did not, and some here seem not to be the least disturbed by it.


I am talking about adults, no kids. Smart kids who grew to smart, successful adults.
Your comments seem to be stuck in their youth, as if they never grew up.
I will never understand why so many people equate being smart or highly intelligent with being decent or moral. There is nothing in the history of mankind to show that to be true.

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As an Asian-American, I am a firm believer in Tiger parenting.

However, Amy Chua is an attention-seeking woman who has roped her children and now her husband into a marketing scheme that will probably produce her second NYT best seller.

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I think I phrased what I meant earlier poorly. Kids aren't raised to thinking they are superior directly. It's more of an implied thing. The conversation usually goes something like this:

"What do you mean you only got a 98? What happened to the other 2%? You better work harder unless you want to be stupid and lazy like __________!"
Not so much the grades but I heard this sort of "implied" line that went something like "don't be living like those other people" .

I'm just too lazy to go to the US Open.
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I will never understand why so many people equate being smart or highly intelligent with being decent or moral. There is nothing in the history of mankind to show that to be true.
Absolutely.
In fact, medical school admissions are changing to try and encourage more well rounded applicants instead of walking textbooks who have no empathy.
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Oh, Anglo parents compare kids all the time, too, only we do it more passive aggressively--you ask how the other parents kids are doing then sort of imply yours are doing better.

We usually don't call our kids lazy and worthless though.

I still say most of the parents I know of successful kids of all ethnic groups are more "involved" than "tiger" or "helicopter." I mean there are degrees of everything, but I just haven't written a book about it.

Maybe if I'd had a tiger parent I would have, instead of writing ads and cheesy fantasy/horror short stories (and way too few of the latter).

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This shit is so true....



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Oh, Anglo parents compare kids all the time, too, only we do it more passive aggressively--you ask how the other parents kids are doing then sort of imply yours are doing better.

We usually don't call our kids lazy and worthless though.
You don't???

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My parents never taught me to excellence, never asked me to go to the Uni..i think they know they need to focus on other things, it will sound Innocent and belongs to the archaic word but thats the truth.
still end up with such a jewish Profession and 3 degrees (no idea how) but that doesnt make me happy my family does, i hate my job and im not leaving bc the market is pretty bad.

if i got 70 in an exam, 80, 100 or 90 my mom will still smile and tell me u did well, i was free from stress and that lead me to Develop endless curiosity.

education doesnt lead to happiness same goes for money, no one is safe.
I define myself as an average person, i rather earn a lot less and be home in a decent hour.
There are no pockets in shrouds.

btw just to be clear im all for high education and a good living but i wont be a slave to my work place

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My parents never taught me to excellence, never asked me to go to the Uni..i think they know they need to focus on other things, it will sound Innocent and belongs to the archaic word but thats the truth.

still end up with such a jewish Profession and 3 degrees (no idea how) but that doesnt make me happy my family does, i hate my job and im not leaving bc the market is pretty bad....
You must be one of those Jewish bankers the conspiracy buffs say rule the world, like the Rothschilds.
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You must be one of those Jewish bankers the conspiracy buffs say rule the world, like the Rothschilds.
i have a few history books, im on my way to World domination

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Re: Tiger Mom: Some cultural groups are superior

The group superiority complex is not always benign as some may think.
If can have an unhealthy, corrosive effect to the society as whole if we are not careful.

And when backed by institutions such as government , or worse, religion, it can be devastating and hard to doaway with.
It is next to impossible to get out of it if those justifying can quote religious text to back their position.

That is the case on cast system and Hinduism in India.

Below are very disturbing and difficult images illustrating superiority complex, carried to the extreme.
In this example, the targeted victims, under the weight of several generations have been subjected to this dehumanizing practice, have grudgingly come to accept it... for their own survival.




The Dalits of India are Untouchables and are living as such, while the higher castes, Brahmin , backed by Hindu scriptures, firmly believe it is divine and should be strictly enforced in the best interest of the society.








Kids are doing exactly what they are told and grow up believing and passing it on to the next generation.
Note how the kids from the lower caste, at very young age, have "mastered" all the intricate rules that governed their daily lives.
The most damaging of the teaching is the notion that lower case kids will pollute upper cast kids if they socialize or come into contact.
Sadly, both lower cast and high cast kids, as "well taught" children observe this rule.




The teaching of and culture the Cast System is so powerful, that the notion of equality, which is fundamental in religions such as Christianity, Islam, is no match and is set aside.
Cast system and its enforcement is still very much alive within all religious communities India.

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You don't???

What do you say while you're hitting them?
Usually I just laugh uncontrollably.

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Tiger Mom, Amy Chua appears today on Morning TV with another book, The Triple Package," , co-authored with her husband.


She seems to be moving away from the group classification model to individual family upbringing model.
This new book does away with the "model minority" stereotype, which always outperforms lesser or inferior groups, generation after generations.


In fact, they argue:
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There are black and Hispanic subgroups in the United States far outperforming many white and Asian subgroups. Moreover, there’s a demonstrable arc to group success—in immigrant groups, it typically dissipates by the third generation—puncturing the notion of innate group differences and undermining the whole concept of “model minorities.”
Chua was asked why she moved away from her ethnic based grouping permanent classification, but she side stepped the question that provokes so much controversy, visibly uncomfortable.

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