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hey, i just noticed this thread and thanks for singling me out

i'm not much of a music fan and i haven't heard any of the musical acts/artists you've mentioned.

and you're right, i like R&B and some rap and jazz.

some of my favorites are: Erykah Badu, Alicia Keys, Mary J. Blige, Lauryn Hill, Aretha Franklin, Maxwell, India Aire, Jill Scott, the Jackson 5, Chet Baker, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Missy Elliot, Nelly, and most of all, as my name suggests...Jay-Z



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I like everyone you mentioned especially The Heavies and Soul II Soul. I'm a perpetual clubbie so I've been through most of the phases especially the House period of the mid 80's to the early 90's.

My house anthems were:

"Move Your Body" - Marshall Jefferson
"I'll House You" - The Jungle Brothers
"Voodoo Ray" - A Guy Called Gerald

In trip hop/ambient I like Portishead and Massive Attack.

Not real crazy about Techno/Trance. It lacks soul.

In Hip Hop/R&B my faves include but aren't limited to Maxwell, D'Angelo, Jay-Z, Nas, Mister Cheeks, Faith Evans, Erykah Badu and then old school of course like everyone from The Ojays to The Force MDs.

It's all gravy.

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This is a great thread! I love almost all the music that everyone's mentioned.

Lucy Pearl is really good. The group is made up of former members of Tony Toni Tone and Dawn from En Vogue. If anyone's interested in checking them out I recommend: "Dance Tonight" and "Don't Mess with My Man".

I LOVE Brand New Heavies! I just wish they were more popular here in the States. My fav by them is the remix of "Spend Some Time" -- an absolute must if you like BNH. I also like "Sometimes" and "Never Stop".

Lisa Stansfield has an amazing voice. She's another one that's not popular in the States. People here only know "Been Around the World" if even that. I didn't even realize she had a new album. Not all of her albums are released here, but I guess that doesn't matter now -- I can just download.

Nuyorican Soul is another that I guess would fall into the acid jazz category. I haven't heard much of their music, but I really liked "Runaway" from a few years back. It was a cover of a 70's disco song. They didn't venture far from the original (which is also good) -- their version is just a little jazzier.

I'm always looking for great soul/dance/house/acid jazz music -- so any recommendations would be great.
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G-Ha the original version of "Runaway" is done by the Salsoul Orchestra. I wasn't familiar with Nuyorican Soul's version until now
(I searched for it online) --- and you're right; it's faithful to the original.

If you like classic house, look no further than Marshall Jefferson's "Move Your Body"!!!

Also, I love Angie Stone's 2 albums. "Mahogany Soul" is a great follow-up to "Black Diamond". KindaNice "No More Rain" is beautiful and a clever use of Gladys Knight sampling!

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I had lost all hope about this thread. Thanks for replying CanIGetaWhat. It was actually you (or St Jude) on the old board who mentioned Jill Scott that made me go check her out last year. And boy am I glad that I did.

Beige, I also hate trance/techno, and especially hardhouse,gabba, etc. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL!!. It's turgid, soulless, and just mindless, but it seems to be sweeping the world. Sasha, Digweed, Timo Maas, Oakenfield YUCK FOUL FOUL FOUL (I had to get that off my chest)

Are you from the states, Europe, or elsewhere.

What sort of house are you into? Some of my favourite house producers are:

Derrick Carter
Miguel Migs
Inland Knights
Franke Knuckles
Luke Solomon and justin Harris (Freaks)
Kerri Chandler
"old" Kings of Tommorrow
and too many more to mention.

My favourite House DJs are:

Derrick Carter
DJ Heather
Freaks
Miguel Migs
Tony Humphries

As you can tell, I like really deep dubby house, not florally vocals.

I am 31, and have been going out since 1988, and playing here and there since 1995. We have a cluster of good house DJs here in Melb. We also have terrible house DJs as well (i'm really not into Bob Sinclair, Daft Punk, Dimitri from Paris, tenaglia, or Vasquez etc.) From your house anthem list it seems like you are an old skooler as well. (I could never compile a list. There would be thousands, and I would agonise over it so much, I would be sent off to a mental institution).

I also love Massive Attack (who wouldn't). I never got into Tricky's solo stuff though- too dark for me!

G-Ha, at last. My mole for the US. I go to NYC every year, and check out what's going on. I thought that there would be NO ONE in the states that would understand this music. So many great acts have found it impossible to cross over to the states.
G-Ha, we all cross our fingers and toes that the BNH have one more album in them. After N'dea Davenport left the band, and the Sedia Garrett album bombed (she was unfairly made a scape goat), they released "Saturday Night" with Carleen anderson at the helm. I think they recorded a whole ablum with her, but it never got released. I hear rumours that N'dea has returned to BNH, and that they are recording a new album. N'dea sings on the latest Roger Sanchez single.

G-Ha, these albums might be hard to find, but you Need to get the following albums if you like soul/acid jazz

Young Disciples album
Conspiracy- Drizabone
the tow Innocence albums- one of them is called Build, and I forget the name of the other
There is an Incognito greatest hits out at the moment (their cover of Stevie Wonder's "Don't you worry about a thing" gives me goosebumps whenever I hear it)
Face Up- Lisa s\Stansfield- her latest album is a return to form

There are heaps more, but I don't want to scare you off with my enthusiasm.

Apart from the US artists I mentioned, a lot of US R&B leaves me for cold. Either it is too drippy, or its too stuttery without much song....and it is very corporate sounding. I would love some more R & B tips, as I am not too educated in it.

Apologies for going on and on. I am just so glad that there are some people on this board that are into the same music as me...
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BTW Beige, were you ever an Inner City fan?
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BCP, great thread! I've got a lot to say and I'm pissed because I wrote a long ass reply to your thread and I hit submit and I got booted out, forcing me to not only re-write the damn thing but now I have to try to remember what I wrote. #$@!&%

Ok what I'm going to do is use this number system in order to recall my thoughts from my first (and eventually botched) attempt at responding:

1. I'm from Brooklyn (not originally but I've been here awhile) and proud of it.

2. I like my house classic like the original Chicago house. I know I mentioned vocal anthems like Marshall Jefferson's "Move Your Body" but when it comes to house, I prefer groove-oriented instrumentals. The vocal house songs by divas like Ultra Nate, Crystal Waters and Adeva are cool but too much of it is not a good thing for me. Gay clubs love house mixes by Mariah, Celine, Madonna and Whitney but they belong in suburban bar and grills rather than inner city after hours warehouse clubs. House hybrids like Deep House (hypnotic) and Hard House (borderline techno) have their audiences but I like my house pure like classic Chicago house.

3. BCP you're more well-versed in producers/deejays and I admire the passion. My take on clubs is that if you're going to be "into it" then go all the way! The scene is not for everybody but for those who are drawn to it, do it with gusto and feel it in your heart (as opposed to embracing it for the sole purpose of feeling trendy and "fabulous" - lol) Frankie Knuckles is a legend. "The Whistle Song" is a classic even to this day. Junior Vasquez (the dj) is known but I never liked his spinning -- too "trancey" for me. He got the attention of Madonna who employed him for remixes on "Bedtime Stories", and I think "Ray of Light".

4. Acid Jazz isn't my forte but I love the whole vibe of the music and the clubs that have Acid Jazz nights. In my opinion, acid jazz draws a more bohemian, open-minded crowd. It's one scene in NYC that definitely attracts a diverse crowd. Giant Step was a popular 90's acid jazz floating party here in NYC where live musicians played along with djs. Incredible club experience!

5. Saw N'dea live 2 years ago and she rocks! Great voice and fantastic performer! Her solo material wasn't as rich as her work with The Heavies but she knew how to work the crowd and did do some Heavies' songs like "Never Stop".

6. BCP I couldn't agree more about current American R&B. It's flat and although they try hard singers like Joe, 112, Jagged Edge and Kenny Lattimore simply lack the passion (and talent) of black music produced in previous decades. For that we should count our blessing for the "neo soul" movers and shakers like Maxwell, D'angelo, Angie Stone, Erykah Badi, Me'shell N'degocello, Kelis, Jill Scott, India Arie and others.

7. BCP don't worry about going and on!!! I love the passion and I'd rather have you go "on and on" about your love for house music, acid jazz-- as well as anyone else speak genuinely about their passion for things like rugby, politics, travel, wines, books, etc-- than just read "guarded" comments on this board that amount to practically nothing.

I'll shut up now. Who's next?

Oh yeah, Inner City rocks! "Good Life"!

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Beige, thanks, I was wondering who did the original "Runaway". Funny thing is, I didn't even know there was an original until I heard it at the gym a few days ago and was surprised to hear it wasn't India singing. Nuyorican Soul used India on a couple tracks and Jocelyn Brown on some others. For a while there, Brown was everywhere -- she was being passed around among various DJs and producers (e.g. Todd Terry). Speaking of Brown, if anyone wants to hear an old skool track by her, check out "Somebody Else's Guy". That song didn't even register over here in the States, but it might have been more popular in Europe.

ball change pls,

OMG, thanks for all the suggestions and the info on Lisa and BNH. We never get any info on them over here. Like I said above, hardly anyone here knows Lisa and even fewer know BNH.

Unfortunately, I don't know how great of a mole I can be because San Diego's club scene pretty much sucks. Because you go to NY every year, you'd probably be better able to fill me in on the goings on of the US club scence, rather than the other way around.

ball change pls, I seriously think you and I were separated at birth -- I LOVE Inner City. After hearing "Big Fun" once, I ran out and bought it on 12" when I was like 13 years old! And I still can't get enough of that song.
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Beige and G-Ha, It's really great to chat to the both of you on line like this. Beige, N'dea's solo album was awful. However, a lot of lead singers get their confidence up and want to go solo, and produce really bad albums. I almost cried when Caron Wheeler left Soul II Soul to go solo. She produced 2 albums, as I was telling Rightous earlier in this thread. There was probably 2 good half ablums there, She then returned to Soul II Soul to record Volume V.

BTW, 2-step artist Wookie has been backed by Jazzie B from Soul II Soul for years, and he has released a brilliant album on the Soul II Soul Label.

Maysa left Incognito to record a dull solo album, and returned as well.

G-Ha, if you ever find this track you must get it.

"Love will keep us togther"- James Taylor Quartet feat. Allison Limerick. It is the best acid jazz record i have heard. It was out in 1995.

Beige, If you are into Chicago house (which i am into as well), you must love derrick carter, gemini, and stacey Pullen. You prorbaly love (as I do) Jack Your Body.

I am not really into that Gay NY house, ie hate Vasquez, tenaglia, etc. Even though I respect Masters at Work, I'm not really a fan. I love Miss Adeva. Now she's got balls!

Beige! OMG!! I went to the Giant Step club last year when I was in NYC. I went to the Dance Billboard awards after party there. Ron Trent played, and had Donnie, a new artist signed on his label performing live. BOY! Watch out for that talent! He has an album out early this year on Giant Step. Also Miss Jody Watley performed 4 new songs. She was amazing! She is also now signed to Giant Step, and doing stuff with Ron Trent. Have you heard Saturday Night Experience? So soulful. Ron Trent is a legend, and so is Chez Damier. Ron and Chez ran Prescription records, which had some of the best house ever produced on it. Chez has also done a lot of work in the past with Kevin Saunderson.

One of my former favourites, Sandy Rivera of Kings of Tomorrow is from Brooklyn. I went to visit his manager in Brooklyn a couple of years ago.

G-Ha, I LOVE Innercity. However, last year, Kevin Saunderson can to play in Melb, and he played so hard- almost progressive. I almost cried! Last year they released a new record called Good Love, which had awful Pete Heller mixes on it.

I wish the type of music we were into was more popular. I don't care for being "underground". I want to be able to acces great music. But the way things are going, people only like things hard and fast, and easy, with no thought. I lament some of the former great DJs producers who have gone down this path like Tenaglia, Sandy Rivera, Pete Heller, and Deep Dish.

Are you guys into 2-step? There is a lot of crap out there, but if you get a chance, check out MJ Cole, Wookie, Craig David, and Artful Dodger.
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BTW for classic American albums, go no further than Off the Wall by Michael Jackson, and Songs in the Key of Life by Stevie Wonder......
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Beige, I just reread your reply, and forgot to mention Frankie Knuckles. His productions are incredibly spot on when he is on his game. Whistle song is an absolute classic, but for me, the ultimate house anthem is "Where love lives" by Allsion Limerick which he produced.

About three years ago, Mixmag interviewed over 100 top DJ's and asked them to name their favorite club tracks. Frankie had 4 tracks in the top 10, and 12 in the Top 50. Amazing!

Offhand, the top 4 tracks were:

1. Unfininshed Sympathy- Massive Attack
2. Strings for Life- Rhythm is Ryhthm
3. Promise Land- Joe Smooth
4. Where Love Lives- Allison Limerick

I have seen Frankie DJ, and thought that he was good, but not great. I hear legend about Larry Levan and the Paradise Garage. I wish that I had been a part of all of that. I saw an interview where Vasquez said that Larry had handed him the torch PURLEEZE!!!

Do you guys like Byron Stringily and Ten City? "That's the way love is " is an absolute classic.

OK. I promise that's all from me now!
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Massive Attack or really cool do u like Portishead,I sorta get them mixed a bit but they are both pretty cool. Of the two-step artists I have to say I like MJ Cole the best, 'Crazy Love' is totally wicked and 'insincere' rocks.


Lisa Stansfield's last album bombed here, she is good I like some of her stuff, the re-mixed versions but I find she has a bit of an annoying voice!!!!(sorry to offend!!!lol)

I like some of Deborah Cox's stuff it has a bit of a house, techno feel to it. I have to say I'm with Beige I feel that Dance/Techno lacks soul and tends to be just banging music with no real emotion. Beige I really like all the artists u said, Faith Evans doesn't get enough praise or recognition, she reminds me a bit of Chaka Khan.

Dawn Robinson left Lucy Pearl and she is working on a solo album, they replaced her with some other girl I have no idea who she is.

My fave house song is my Someone called Moore, I can't remember her first name, its called 'Never Going to Let U go'.
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Rightous, I agree with you. I hate all of that progressive house, trance, hardhouse. Yuck. House in its puyrist form comes from soul. The first house DJ's pasted together the introductions to soul records to extend them out. That is how they made 12", and the they began mixing them together. Larry Levan was apparently the master, and then people like Franke knuckles followed in his footsteps.

BTW when I said earlier that Kevin Saunderson played really hard, almopst progressive, and I cried, I meant out of disappointment and despair, not joy.

It's funny that you find Lisa Stansfield to have an annoying voice. I think she has a great voice. I think Macy Gray has an annoying voice. She sounds like Rod Stewart on her latest album! LOL
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[To those of you popping in late or may be a little reticent to partake, just dive right in. This isn't solely an exchange bewteen BCP, G-Ha, rightous and myself. Peace.]

1. Allison Limerick and India are two very familiar names in club music and I mention that because even in on the dance/club charts there are performers associated solely with that genre (read: Rock fans wouldn't know them but we would). Besides those two-- and I think the two ladies are awesome-- there are blasts from the past like Robin S. and Shawn Christopher, who like Allison and India, have their respective followings across the country.

2. G-Ha, I love Jocelyn Brown! "Somebody Else's Guy" is actually a known old school classic but you're right in that Jocelyn's other hits were actually bigger in Europe than here in the States.

3. I love Lisa Stansfield too and frankly I think her sound was too sophisticated for mainstream America. She deserved a longer career Stateside but her sound wasn't as accessible as say Paula Abdul's at that time in the late 80's/early 90's. Hey remember Lisa's breakthrough "People Hold On" with a group whose name escapes me. They were called something "play".

4. "Big Fun"! Talk about an infectious beat. Inner City's one other hit (besides "Big Fun" and "Good Life") was a remake of Stephanie Mills' "What Cha Gonna Do With My Lovin". I saw Inner City perform this song at the Apollo for a taping of the show. They sounded great!

5. BCP, I met Caron Wheeler at a party back in the summer of 1994. I was a memorable night: on this particular June evening while the party was in progress, OJ Simpson was in that white Bronco trying to elude the cops. Anyway I asked her if she was THE Caron Wheeler and she said "yes", I told her I didn't believe her and asked her to sing a "UK Blak" cut called "Don't Quit". She obliged. I was amazed and told her: "I won't bother you anymore but please know that your music has made a lot of people happy." She smiled.

6. "Jack Your Body", man what memories! I was living abroad at the time and heard it first in Europe and then here. Talk about a house anthem!

7. 2-Step. I was expecting more (something more progressive; it sounds quite retro, in my opinion) but I like it. Favorite cuts "Desperado" by MJ Cole, something by Armand Van Helden (brain freeze on the title) and "Fill Me In" by Craig David. It hasn't caught on here eventhough everyone from BSB to even Alanis Morissette is using it as the foundation of a few of their tracks.

8. OMG! Larry Levan is the shit. (Complimentary) I moved here in '88 and BCP I wish I had been part of The Garage scene! (The same famous Paradise Garage which is the title and subject of an old Iggy Pop song) It was closed when I got here but I was lucky to be exposed to the Levan sound in the last days of the big house clubs. A local radio station (I'll post a link to their site below) commemorates his death every year with a musical tribute. Completely agree with you on Vasquez and the torch. LOL! Yeah fucking right!!!

9. Dag, BCP, you are good! TEN CITY?! Their "That's The Way Love Goes" was one of my last vinyl purchases! Very popular in black gay clubs (excellent vogue beat).

10. First rate choices for prime American R&B in Michael Jackson "(pre-"Thriller") and old Stevie Wonder! Thumbs way up!

11. Rightous Deborah Cox is a talented singer who's been trying to find her niche for about 5 years. Hasn't had monster R&B success so she tried the house audience and did a lot better. Her house version of (what's it called?) "How Did You Geet Here..Nobody's Supposed To be Here..." was a big club hit in both straight and gay clubs. Still played today in some places.
Moore? Chante Moore, maybe?

12. Dawn Robinson just released her long-awaited solo album last week. Heard first single "Envious" and frankly thought it was some slight tune that was offered to Aaliyah who rejected it. "Envious" is uneven it reeks of "leftovers') It's been long rumored that Dawn would go rock a la Lenny Kravitz but it didn't happen...well at least not on the track that I heard. When Dawn was fired from Lucy Pearl, they replaced her with a singer named Joi, who I think (not sure) is big in the UK for dance music. Dawn said on local radio that Lucy Pearl was a great experience but turned negative because of money.

13. Finally....BCP and other house fans go to this radio station site for House info, etc. Check out their playlists. Note: NYC doesn't have a house radio station so the 'Liquid Sound Lounge' is what rely on for new joints (songs), news from abroad, etc. 'LSL' is on a commercial-free radio station on Saturdays 6pm-9pm. Check it out if you're into it.

http://www.liquidsoundlounge.com/lounge/

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Armand Van Helden song was it 'U don't know me' thats his best song IMHO, it has rea sould and the lyrics are quite cool, what do u guys think of Roger Sanchez, he has had some big hits recently over in Europe I do find him a bit repetitive but he is finding his soul recently!!!!lol

Robin S oh thats a blast fom the past really liked her song, oh Beige its was Tina Moore (I had to look in the old cd recollection to find that!!!!lol) she had a big two-step hit with 'Never gonna let u go'.

What do u guys think of Snap, there's stuff is pretty cool, The Power, Rhythm is a Dancer they had a number of BIG hits in the early 90's.

Deborah Cox has had the grand total of no hits over here!!!!lol But I like some of her songs, Absolutely Not and No-one's Supposed to Be Here, she has a real big voice and the type of music she is now doing really suits her voice. Yeah teh two-step is really taking off as u said, like Nsync have tried it, have u heard of The So Solid Crew they are a group of over 30, yes 30, MC's and singers in a garbage band, they have had big success in the UK.

Yeah I heard Dawn was going to go rock, It was pretty crap the way they spilt up, cos their album was very good. I didn't think she could make it on her own but I was crossing my fingers!!!lol

Of the new producers around who do u like, I'm a big fan of the Neptunes to name just but one and also do any of u like The Prodigy they're about to release a new album.
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