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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old Feb 16th, 2003, 01:40 PM Thread Starter
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ITT, why the peacetards post that they've been on an anti-war march

and this also applies to all the other tards who start numerous threads pissing & moaning at the USA and our actions in the Middle East

yuor average Iraqi is a devoted follower of Saddam (the main opposition in Iraq are the Kurds in the North and those Iraqis who live in the south) and as such yuor average Iraqi would be more than delighted to see all us Americantards and Eurotards burn in hell. If a nuke was to go off in either NYC, LA, London, Paris, Bonn or even Sydney Australia, those Iraqi tards will be dancing in the streets. Make no mistake, when they see yuo peacetards standing in the freezing cold holding up yuor anti-war placards, they think "what a bunch of losers", and don't kid yuorselves that this isn't the troof of the matter

that sure must be a brick, that yuo're standing in the freezing cold on their behalf, and yet they would rejoice at seeing yuo all die and burn in hell

anyways, the reason why you tards feel overwhelmed to come on this board and share yuor 'experience' of yuor march, is to make a statement along the lines of "hey! look at me, i'm such a worthy human being that i sacrificed my time and endured arduous conditions to protest against the evil Americans"

in other words, yuo're an



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Not getting enough attention today junior?

You are a pathetic waste of biology.
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Not getting enough attention today junior?

You are a pathetic waste of biology.
yuor post is an insult and nothing more. And that's cool, i am the master insulter, as such, i have an insensitivty to all insults, and yuors was pretty lame

however, yuor insult doesn't change any of the hard cold facts in my post, especially the one about yuor average Iraqi not thinking of yuo as the wonderful human being that yuo hoped he would, if someone had let off a bomb in the middle of yuor march killing thousands of protesters, he would be thanking Allah for it

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You're probably right CKB, but that shouldn't make any difference. You obviously believe in the eye-for-an-eye method. So you are nothing better than the "average Iraqi". They don't know any better, they don't have the same chances, the same view on the world. In a way they are brainwashed, the same as many Americans seem to be brainwashed in loving their country and stand up for it, even if they don't agree with everything it's government does. That's no reason to bomb them.
The people on the streets ARE seeking attention, they want to be seen. Nothing wrong with that.
What is your point actually? That it is useless to stand up for humanity, to be against war? You say they, the "average Iraqi", aren't worth it? That's a nice point...

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CKB, you are right, as usual...

But overall, it's useless.. Bush will only have fun watching this circus, knowing how pathetic his opponents are. You will change nothing when no risk involved. Useless..

When in 1968 Russian tanks entered Prague, 8 Russian folks went to Red Square in Moscow protesting the invasion.. They KNEW beforehand, that their lives could basically end right there ( and that's what happened to some of them ), that the best case scenario for them is few years in KGB prisons , and the worst case scenario - spending those few years in KGB "psychiatric" clinics where they will really wipe off your mind.. Still they did that.. And became a legend.

If you really wanted to change something - you would not have marched there - you would have camped there.. And the way it happened , you just were freezing your butts for free and for laughs of folk's like myself. Because you managed to change nothing. Useless.

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Re: ITT, why the peacetards post that they've been on an anti-war march

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and this also applies to all the other tards who start numerous threads pissing & moaning at the USA and our actions in the Middle East

yuor average Iraqi is a devoted follower of Saddam (the main opposition in Iraq are the Kurds in the North and those Iraqis who live in the south) and as such yuor average Iraqi would be more than delighted to see all us Americantards and Eurotards burn in hell. If a nuke was to go off in either NYC, LA, London, Paris, Bonn or even Sydney Australia, those Iraqi tards will be dancing in the streets. Make no mistake, when they see yuo peacetards standing in the freezing cold holding up yuor anti-war placards, they think "what a bunch of losers", and don't kid yuorselves that this isn't the troof of the matter

that sure must be a brick, that yuo're standing in the freezing cold on their behalf, and yet they would rejoice at seeing yuo all die and burn in hell
Jesus! I dont understand you at all. Beneath all the joke-shop Photoshop and cheap shots at the less witty, sometimes you post some of the most thought provoking and intelligent conversation starters on here. I'm still trying to work out if what you have written here is a sick joke.

How many average Iraqis do you claim to speak on behalf of? Cos I've met more than a few in my time and certainly none of them agree with your statements, which frankly border on the racist, rarely have I seen such rampant generalisations - how much tabloid journalism do you consume in one day?

And regardless of what the Iraqis think of us or not, millions would still have been on the streets yesterday, because the wider picture here is not just not about whats about to happen in the middle-east, its the fact that no satisfactory evidence has been presented as grounds for a war that no-one wants, with the exception of your 'president' and his cronies. Doesnt that ring alarm bells for you?

I hope i've misinterpreted, but I find your attitude of 'lets bomb them cos they dont give a toss about us' pretty disturbing.

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Iraq is one of the most totalitarian states in history. Any opposition to Hussein is executed on the spot. The population is fed propaganda 24/7. All newspapers and television stations are controlled by the regime. Iraqi tv have a habit of broadcasting dated, European football matches, only to interrupt them with bizarre songs in Saddam's honor. Revered as "Uncle Saddam", his face is everywhere you go in Iraq. It's a personality cult of North Korean proportions, he wants to promote an image of himself as a demigod. His ambition in life is to go down in history as one of the greatest Arab heroes ever, as a modern-day Saladin. He shamelessly wins the utterly undemocratic elections with more than 99 percent support and stages demonstrations in his favor.

We should never confuse the regime with Iraqi citizens in general. All of them are basically political prisoners out on parole. Iraqis have fled the country in the millions, and the groups in exile are extremely critical of the regime, some of them call for outright war to depose Saddam. Over the last 12 years, more than seven attempts at internal coup d'etats have been brutally crushed. There is practically not a living Iraqi who has not lost a relative in the war against Iran or as a consequence of the invasion of Kuwait.

Saddam Hussein, or more generally the Ba'ath party, used to be a progressive force in Iraqi society until the late 70's when Saddam, the de facto leader, moved up from vice-president and turned up the heat on Iran. They cared about educating the Iraqi people, and to some degree they promoted womens' rights. The population has suffered, but it's still fairly well-educated by Arab standards. All of them are not brainwashed Saddam lovers.

And Islamic radicals have very little clout in Iraq. There are relatively few examples of Iraqi citizens involved in international terror, at least compared to countries like Algeria, Morocco, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc.

I very much question that Iraqi citizens would be delighted to see the war protestors bombed to pieces and burn to hell. But I'm convinced that many Iraqis would like to see that happen to Saddam and his backing group.

I personally support a war on Iraq, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I consider people who protest it to be naive fools. However, I believe that the size of the current European peace demonstrations has a lot do with a general resentment of Bush and the Republican adminstration, as well as a skepticism towards the international supremacy of America more than it's a bid to protect innocent Iraqi civilians from the cruelties of war.
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Re: Re: ITT, why the peacetards post that they've been on an anti-war march

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Jesus! I dont understand you at all. Beneath all the joke-shop Photoshop and cheap shots at the less witty, sometimes you post some of the most thought provoking and intelligent conversation starters on here. I'm still trying to work out if what you have written here is a sick joke.
It's no joke, this is one of my deadly serious threads

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How many average Iraqis do you claim to speak on behalf of? Cos I've met more than a few in my time and certainly none of them agree with your statements
i'm referring to the millions of Iraqis who were celebrating in Iraq on 9/11/2001 (who would agree with my statements) and not the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who are happily living in America and Europe, and who would not be interested in the least in returning to their homeland thank yuo very much

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which frankly border on the racist, rarely have I seen such rampant generalisations - how much tabloid journalism do you consume in one day?
ahh, the old trick of mentioning the racist word in the hope that it will discredit or make the offending party STFU, sorry that tactic doesn't work with the Car Key Boi. And i don't read any tabloids, but i do read a shitload of confidential reports from a lot of Oil Bois and other professionals lawyers/accountants/economists/blah) that's how come i'm always so well informed

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And regardless of what the Iraqis think of us or not, millions would still have been on the streets yesterday, because the wider picture here is not just not about whats about to happen in the middle-east, its the fact that no satisfactory evidence has been presented as grounds for a war that no-one wants, with the exception of your 'president' and his cronies. Doesnt that ring alarm bells for you?
well, FYI 76% of the American public are in favor of military action in Iraq, although it's not something we WANT, it's just something we feel is justified for one reason or another. So it doesn't ring alarm bells at all. Besides, most of the American protesters are only protesting because it happens to be a Republican president who's sitting in the Oral Office, and most of the Eurotard protesters are protesting because they don't like the fact that America is the School Yard Bully of the World. They want to be the bully, or at least a joint bully. That's why the strongest opposition is coming from Germany, France and Bellgim i.e. the three nations who are pushing the hardest for the United States of Europe to become a reality

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I hope i've misinterpreted, but I find your attitude of 'lets bomb them cos they dont give a toss about us' pretty disturbing.
yuo have misinterpreted, i'm not in favor of sending in Air Force and Army Boi because i want an eye for an eye, or revenge for 9/11 or because yuor average Iraqi is an all-American hating fanatic

to tell the troof, i don't care about 9/11 anymore, that's history and what's done is done. Sure it would be great if we could nail someone big to account for that, but i wouldn't spend billions of $$$ raining our missiles and bombs on Iraq for that purpose.

But i do think nailing Saddam would be a good thing for the average Iraqi (after a year or 2) but more importantly, the West's oil consumption is increasing every day and the World's resources are being depleted accordingly

at the moment the situation isn't too bad, but in say 5 or 10 years, the situation is going to be worse, and one day (and this will happen in everyone's lifetime) there isn't gonna be a lot of oil that is cost effective to drill for, and when that day comes, we're gonna be FUCKED (unless we can wean ourselves onto Nuclear Power, and that's another thing that the very same peacetards will be protesting against)

so i say invade Iraq and let's get our hands on that oil that is soooo easy and cheap to drill for. All yuo have to do is poke the ground with a stick. FYI, the Shell oil company have already made preparations for this. That's sure gonna fuck the French up the ass (another reason why the French object so strongly to invasion)

and finally, it's not the attitude of some accountant tard that yuo find disturbing, it's those millions of Iraqis who hate yuor guts even though yuo're protesting in the cold on their behalf, it's that which yuo find so disturbing. Sorry, it's not my fault that happens to be a FACT, so don't blame the messenger

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Fair enough - apologies for using the 'race card'. I hate it when people do that.

But you cant deny that your comments showcase the cultural supremacy that we seem to have here in the west. If your belief that you should invade just to get your hands on their oil (somehow I dont think a greater need for oil necessarily equates to a right to trample on whatever third world state you have to to obtain it) is not an imperialist one, I dont know what is.

I dont recall seeing Iraqis celebrating after 9/11, certainly not millions of them (there were pictures of Palestinians dancing in the streets that were syndicated, those are the only ones I recall), but if they had been I wouldnt be too surprised. For the previous decade we have starved over half a million Iraqi children to death, denied them adequate medicines, and watched disease spread through the country unchecked. If you add the period bombings their civilians endure, its no wonder they feel like they do. These are not, on the whole, educated people. They have a state controlled media, no access to the internet and little concept of the outside world. If your only knowledge of the west comes from ducking out of the way of one of their bombs of course you're gonna hate them.

If 76% of Americans are in favour of war, it doesnt make it right. I have recently moved to Switzerland from Spain (I'm from England) and I dont know ONE person in favour of the war, from any of those three countries. And i know a lot of people.

But blah, blah, blah...you're entitled to your opinion on oil and invasion and I respect that, but do you really think its gonna end there? If we invade an Arab state at this time it will most likely serve as the catalyst for the biggest and most prolonged clash of civilisations that there has ever been, will polarise hatred of the west and fuel the ambitions of a million would-be terrorists...and Bush will be responsible.

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it's not the attitude of some accountant tard that yuo find disturbing, it's those millions of Iraqis who hate yuor guts even though yuo're protesting in the cold on their behalf, it's that which yuo find so disturbing.
You couldnt be more wrong there. If they hated my guts i would understand their reasons for doing so. I have an international relations degree and have lived in Arab countries so I know the people a little better than that.

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well, IMO if it got out that sadam had made the UN inspectors leave 5 years ago and in that time no1 did nuthin about it and tried to stop him makin weapons, im sure the same pple would b accusin the american goverment of coverup and conspiracy and askin why no1 did nuthin to stop him.
the same countries would also go runnin to the states for help once they got a bomb dropped on em, and the American people would fork out billions of $ to save europe's arse........AGAIN!!

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no need to apoligize to the Car Key Boi for anything JonBCN

and believe me, it's a fact that Saddam is considered a 'great leader', not only by the majority of his own people, but also by many ordinary arabs in the middle east

it's not so much that they think he's truly 'great', it's more to do with the fact that he's the only leader of an arab nation who's been at war with the US, and their hatred for the US far exceeds any concerns they may have in regard to Saddam being a good or bad thing

and just to let yuo know, i don't hate those American hating Iraqis, like yuo, i fully understand that it's a question of environment, if i was brought up on the streets of Baghdad, i'm quite certain i'll be in the streets chanting like a moron and burning the Stars n Stripes

also, i never said that my reasons for invasion were morally right, i've often said that there are no morals when it comes to international affairs, just the illusion that certain countries practice it

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These war threads are getting old. Is there really an opinion that has not already been expressed?
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These war threads are getting old. Is there really an opinion that has not already been expressed?
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