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Re: A balanced response to the Serena faux pas

Nice that there is a sympathetic response like this, but actually I think this article still makes the same fundamental mistake all the others are making. It takes Serena's comments as a reflection of the actual view she held at the time, rather than what it really was: a blurted reaction to a news item by a person who had never really thought about such things one way or another.

The way Serena phrased her response you could tell she was basically thinking aloud, not stating some deeply held conviction. Her real mistake was not insisting on a right to review the article before it was printed, so she could have had them remove these silly comments, which are themselves pretty meaningless, but once printed became needlessly hurtful to the victim and her family, and to women in general.

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Here's the link to my only comment in GM about this: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthrea...1#post29772721

According to RVD, I reached "an unprecedented level of illogical reasoning". All the other people who replied to my comment or sent me a message with the reputation system agreed with me.

Again, I have to stress that I find unfortunate that all the debate has been centered about whether Serena is right or wrong, and very little has been said about how this topic should be discussed. What I find disturbing is not so much Serena's opinion, but how she appears to think you can candidly comment on a case like this the same nonchalant way you can comment on Sharapova or cinnamon rolls. Judging from the majority of replies in this forum, unfortunately she's far from being alone.
I don't think this is illogical. But it is maybe a little harsh.

Serena's reaction sounded to me like the kind of reaction that probably took place in millions of living rooms when the item was aired. Like most people, Serena doesn't seem to have thought much about things like this, so basically she was verbally trying to make sense of it.

The difference being that unlike all those other living rooms, she was sharing hers not with a friend or family member, but with a a nosy RS journalist, whose job it is to put his interviewees at ease, and give them the feeling that they are in their own living room with a friend or family member. The better to elicit such juicy tidbits.

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Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud fans of Serena

Since a lot of the people here were keen to know what the victim's family thought of Serena's apology.

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Steubenville rape victim's family says they are 'proud' of Serena Williams' apology after she was quoted defending the 16-year-old's assailants

'We just read Serena's updated comments and we're proud of her for correcting and clarifying her prior statements,' the family said, according to a statement issued on their behalf by attorney Bob Fitzsimmons. 'We are sure Serena has and will continue to use her God-given talents to advance women's equality and send the message that rape is never acceptable under any circumstance.

'We are fans of Serena and will continue rooting for many more championships but more importantly watching her advance the cause of rape victims who are never to blame.'
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Re: Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud and now a fan of Serena



Aww - the haters will be so upset
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Re: Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud fans of Serena

I don't think anyone had a problem with the apology. More the original comments themselves.

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Re: Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud fans of Serena

Good for them

It was a stupid mistake on Serena's part, and I'm sure she'll regret it for the rest of her life. But if the victim's family can move on, is it too much to ask others to do the same?
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Re: Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud fans of Serena

More Serena controversy? I'm not surprised, although I didn't get to see her original statements.

EDIT: Ah, so her statement was that the person shouldn't have put herself in that position? Not the most idiotic thing I've ever heard, but really? They shouldn't be put in the position to be raped anyway. The rapist shouldn't even be doing that, if they had a conscience. Ah well, apologies all around and everybody is friends again
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Re: Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud fans of Serena

But the question remains, does Serena believe in this case, the perpetrators of the crime should be given more lenient sentences, because of the actions of the victim?
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The apology does seem genuine though (although it could just be damage control). Personally, i'm willing to forgive and forget. I just hope Serena thinks more deeply and compassionately about this issue.
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Re: Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud fans of Serena

How much money did they get to say this? Obviously the PR people reached them and did the damage control. What a show!
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Re: Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud fans of Serena

Great. There's nothing wrong with what she said. All she said was that you have to be careful when you're out. How is that not true? She didn't blame the victim nor say that it's because she was doing something that she got raped.

If I go out and get drunk, I am putting myself at risk. It is true.

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Let's all move on to Wimbledon where the real lashings will occur.
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Good for them
Not just good--admirable and inspirational that they can see past the sensationalist media crap generated from an unwitting foot-in-mouth blooper and bring the focus back to the real issue.
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Re: Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud fans of Serena

Every thread about this issue has been locked in GM, and you're still making threads?

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Well, while I liked Serena apologized, it didn't sound like she actually owned up to her statements. She said twice "what was written" and once "supposedly" , while the journalist had the interview on tape.

But I will let it slide off, since the family seems happy with all that. I feel sorry for their girl hopefully she is doing okay after this week.

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Re: Steubenville rape victim's family says they are proud fans of Serena

what comments are they talking about?

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