SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING - Page 5 - TennisForum.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #61 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 16th, 2013, 02:10 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 9,433
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeucesAreWild View Post
So because it "can be" we are to assume what? Everyone is guilty until proven otherwise? Or even then not so because as with Andre things can be covered up for superstars? I understand what you are saying, I just dislike the territory it can be leading into. Shoot first and ask questions later.

Right. Like those idiot sports writers who didn't put anybody into the baseball Hall of Fame this year. But then again what can you say about a group of people where some of them actually voted against Willie Mays?

For Dante, it follows then, that the only way to get into Hell is to insist upon it. One must deliberately exclude himself from grace by hardening his heart against it. Hell is what the damned have actively and insistently wished for.

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils. The motions of his spirit are dull as night and his affections dark as Erebus. Let no such man be trusted. Shakespeare
HippityHop is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #62 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 16th, 2013, 02:14 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 9,433
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

Quote:
Originally Posted by tennisbum79 View Post
Where would you have preferred that he get interviewed?
Confrontattion is not necessarily a good avenue for this.
The man is admiting to doping, the only big question remaining to ask is why he did what did, betraying the confidence of so many friends, families, charitable organization, and letting down the country and US cycling he professes to represent.
As I wrote in another post, if anyone wants to see a public flogging or prosecution or humiliation, then don't watch Oprah.
That is not her style


I wish there some avenue for the federal goverment investigate and take some punitive action, but I doubt the US goverment can has any juridiction.
But again I could be wrong.

USA Cycling could administer more punishment in addtition to the measures the international cyclcing body already took.
If he had won national titles during that time period, he should be stripped of the titles.
If any awards was named after his name sake, it should be rescinded.

The sponsors have already derserted him.
To give a chance to charity ,Live Strong, to survive, he has resigned from ti, but I doubt it will continue.
My guess is it will fades and die as the fund rasing slowly dries up without his strong personality.


For good or bad, now for bad, he was really a one man powerhouse. Charming potential sponsors, intimadating potential enemies.
I must say that if people stop giving to a charity that has helped so many cancer patients because of Lance Armstrong, then there is hole in those people where their souls should be.

For Dante, it follows then, that the only way to get into Hell is to insist upon it. One must deliberately exclude himself from grace by hardening his heart against it. Hell is what the damned have actively and insistently wished for.

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils. The motions of his spirit are dull as night and his affections dark as Erebus. Let no such man be trusted. Shakespeare
HippityHop is online now  
post #63 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 16th, 2013, 08:50 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 40,129
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

Quote:
Originally Posted by HippityHop View Post
Right. Like those idiot sports writers who didn't put anybody into the baseball Hall of Fame this year. But then again what can you say about a group of people where some of them actually voted against Willie Mays?
Journalists in general, and sport writers in particular, value access to their source more than anyone else.
Lance Armstrong, the most famous cyclist in the USA, with connections in high places, knew this more than anyone else in sports.
He used it to his advange with resporters.

He also exudes that confidence of both a street brawler and charming cosmopolito-renaisance man with influence, who could mess up your career (or physiscally harm you) by pulling some string if you cross him.

In his interviews, he was usually defiant and confrontational to any challenging him, but doing it in a methodical, deliberate way.

He had a way to project rectitude, believable outrage, turning challengers to bad guys, out to smear a chariatble, cancer-survivor, generous with children causes cause man.
tennislover22 is offline  
post #64 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 17th, 2013, 06:33 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,540
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

Quote:
Originally Posted by ys View Post
Tennis should not be much of a concern dope wise. You can't dope your brain. It's not a cattle sport, like cycling is or x-country skiing for that matter .. where at the end your body is pretty much all that matters.

Only somebody who never played tennis seriously could say that the body doesn't matter.

Maybe this was true a long time ago, in the 1960's when tennis was a serve-and-volley sport played almost always on grass. But today the conditioning of the body matters a lot for endurance/recovery in tennis, mens and womens both, and in that sense there are gains to be gotten from doping. Especially blood doping where the risk of being caught is basically zero, and so you have only upside from doing it...
chuvack is offline  
post #65 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 17th, 2013, 07:38 PM
country flag ys
Adrenaline junkie
 
ys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: always on the move
Posts: 22,155
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuvack View Post
Only somebody who never played tennis seriously could say that the body doesn't matter.
On amateur level, yes, it matters a lot. As most of people can be simply outrun.

It does matter in pro tennis too. But what you see in modern tennis, mens tennis first of all, it is a game of superior skills primarily.

"..just knowing that as long as i choose life, there is hope."

Je ne suis pas charlie

PLAY TENNIS!
ys is offline  
post #66 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 17th, 2013, 07:52 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,080
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

I just wish norwegian skiiers did same. What more you need? Myllylä suicice not enough?!
NoppaNoppa is offline  
post #67 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 17th, 2013, 09:07 PM
Senior Member
 
moby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 14,473
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

Quote:
Originally Posted by ys View Post
On amateur level, yes, it matters a lot. As most of people can be simply outrun.

It does matter in pro tennis too. But what you see in modern tennis, mens tennis first of all, it is a game of superior skills primarily.
A game of superior defensive skills.

A single flow'r he sent me, since we met./All tenderly his messenger he chose;
Deep-hearted, pure, with scented dew still wet - One perfect rose.
I knew the language of the floweret;/'My fragile leaves,' it said, 'his heart enclose.'
Love long has taken for his amulet/One perfect rose.
Why is it no one ever sent me yet/One perfect limousine, do you suppose?
Ah no, it's always just my luck to get/One perfect rose.
moby is offline  
post #68 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 17th, 2013, 11:44 PM
Senior Member
 
Halardfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Japan
Posts: 5,880
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

Lance Armstrong Interview Bingo game from The Guardian...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/inte...nterview-bingo

Manchester City 2011 FA Cup winners! 2012 Premier League Champions! 2014 League Cup winners and Premier League Champions! At last!!!!!
Halardfan is offline  
post #69 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 18th, 2013, 06:18 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 40,129
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

Oprah did a good job.
She asked the questions that were on people's mind.
She hs no control over Armstrong answer, the public will judge for themselves.
tennislover22 is offline  
post #70 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 18th, 2013, 07:08 AM
Senior Member
 
Halardfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Japan
Posts: 5,880
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

Quote:
Originally Posted by tennisbum79 View Post
Oprah did a good job.
She asked the questions that were on people's mind.
She hs no control over Armstrong answer, the public will judge for themselves.
She did ok...it was neither as soft as some feared or as tough as it needed to be.

The brief clip of the second part looks more worrying though...

Manchester City 2011 FA Cup winners! 2012 Premier League Champions! 2014 League Cup winners and Premier League Champions! At last!!!!!
Halardfan is offline  
post #71 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 18th, 2013, 12:42 PM
Senior Member
 
Bieselke's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,387
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

From what i got so far 2 major bugging points in this interview for me:

- Don't try talking about yourself in 3rd person to create a feeling that it was a different man who did all the bad things. absolutely hate it.

- The cancer thing: For Gods sake, stop using that. Although beating cancer is admirable ofcourse, it doesn't make you any better or worse person. Doping testosterone was partially justifiable because his was lower afte beating cancer? It's still doping schmuck.
Hope Oprah confronts him with one of his denial phrases "I have beaten cancer, why would I put bad stuff in my body again". Let's see him talk himself out of that one with sincerity.

Other than that not much news to be soon, main point of intrest for me would be the coming claims for me. That and of course my fellow compatriot, the utter idiot Bruyneel.

Clijsters - Hantuchova - Sprem

Safina - Wickmayer - Dokic

Johansson - Larsson - Arvidsson
Bieselke is offline  
post #72 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 18th, 2013, 02:41 PM
Senior Member
 
stromatolite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 31,358
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

For some reason this interview made me think of the following line from the movie "Quiz Show":

Congressman Derounian (after hearing all his colleagues shower the quiz show cheater Van Doren with praise for finally coming clean): "I'm happy that you've made the statement. But I cannot agree with most of my colleagues. See, I don't think an adult of your intelligence should be commended for simply, at long last, telling the truth."
stromatolite is offline  
post #73 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 18th, 2013, 02:46 PM
Senior Member
 
Super Dave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 36,929
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8...-history-lying

Rick Reilly article.

Quote:
Among my emails Wednesday morning, out of the blue, was one from Lance Armstrong.

Riles, I'm sorry.

All I can say for now but also the most heartfelt thing too. Two very important words.
L

And my first thought was ... "Two words? That's it?"
Two words? For 14 years of defending a man? And in the end, being made to look like a chump?

Elena Baltacha 1983-2014
Super Dave is offline  
post #74 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 18th, 2013, 02:51 PM
Stunning. Fierce. Yellow.
 
Wally.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Down a rabbit hole
Posts: 37,987
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

If he was trying to rehabilitate his image via this interview, he failed miserably.

He came across as inherently unlikable and completely unremorseful. And he is still lying like a rug.

P.O.GovortsovaA.RadwańskaD.CibulkováS.WilliamsM.RybárikováA.KerberP.KvitováD.Kasatkina
D.VekićB.JovanovskiE.VesninaT.PironkovaP.CetkovskáKr.&Ka.PlíškováA.IvanovićA.Pavlyuchenkova

Suicide Champion: 2016 US Open, Singapore; 2013 Miami; 2012 Doha; 2011 Dubai; 2010 Indian Wells, Bad Gastein; 2008 Melbourne, New Haven, Prague; 2007 Toronto
PAW Champion: 2015 US Open; 2012 Tokyo, Moscow; 2011 Roland Garros; 2010 Bali, Portoroz
TT Singles Champion: 2015 100k Poitiers; 2011 25k Mildura
QUEEN ZHENYA 4 LIFE!! Perfection!
Wally. is offline  
post #75 of 97 (permalink) Old Jan 18th, 2013, 04:04 PM
country flag ys
Adrenaline junkie
 
ys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: always on the move
Posts: 22,155
                     
Re: SHOCKING: Cyclist Saga Soon Coming To an End - Lance Amstrong To Admit To DOPING

It puzzles me what grants this a top page place in every news source.. Just wondering who is the folk who is so interested here.. The cheater and this Oprah character.. Watching this, while there is Australian Open live on another channel? Choice is a no brainer to me, but apparently others are more than just curious.

"..just knowing that as long as i choose life, there is hope."

Je ne suis pas charlie

PLAY TENNIS!
ys is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TennisForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome