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He thought he saw a gun in the teen's car? He better not get away with murder...

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He thought he saw a gun in the teen's car? He better not get away with murder...
They always see a gun.
In the past, they have mistaken a wallet for gun.
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Why the fuck do you even pick a fight over music at a gas station?
That sounds sensible but what if somebody is blasting ABBA or the Bee Gees? Or Donna Fucking Summer??!! You'd have to do something about it!! I wouldn't recommend anything smaller than .44 caliber with a 240 grain bullet to solve that problem.

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One big difference is the way the two cases were initially handled. In the Dunn case, the suspect was arrested fairly soon after the crime was committed. In the Martin case, the cops weren't even going to conduct an investigation until public pressure forced them to, and their gross negligence in so doing may have been a factor in Zimmerman's not guilty verdict.

Both cases are horrible and tragic, but this one seems to less badly handled by the police.
Indeed. Those missing elements are significant. And to be clear, in neither case is the shooter's behavior excusable in my view. Nonetheless, the question of what is newsworthy runs deep. Is there an epidemic of white people shooting young black men? Or are those crimes that receive media attention. Or is it something else that gets attention?
There were 499 homicides in 2012 in Chicago alone, and many of the victims were young black males. Would anybody seriously speculate that in most cases the shooters were white males? Probably not. What really does deserve scrutiny is the justice gap between black and white in the U.S. That I'm afraid is very, very real and it doesn't get nearly the attention it deserves. I think that was the element in the Martin/Zimmerman case that may not be present here. And it's finally getting more notice.

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Indeed. Those missing elements are significant. And to be clear, in neither case is the shooter's behavior excusable in my view. Nonetheless, the question of what is newsworthy runs deep. Is there an epidemic of white people shooting young black men? Or are those crimes that receive media attention. Or is it something else that gets attention?
There were 499 homicides in 2012 in Chicago alone, and many of the victims were young black males. Would anybody seriously speculate that in most cases the shooters were white males? Probably not. What really does deserve scrutiny is the justice gap between black and white in the U.S. That I'm afraid is very, very real and it doesn't get nearly the attention it deserves. I think that was the element in the Martin/Zimmerman case that may not be present here. And it's finally getting more notice.
For me, it's recently been about two things:

1) Why are White perpetrators viewed and handled differently than the Black perpetrators, before, during, and after these cases.
2) Why the value placed on human life (on an ethnic level), is strikingly obvious; yet lawmakers refuse to address this glaring dispersant.

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Though it's true that the two cases were handled differently, in terms of police response, the basis or catalyst for these differences are rarely address and / or corrected.

Often, if not always, these glaring discrepancies are allowed to persist.
I fear that the likely cause may be equally economic as well as race related.
Moreover, lawmakers may believe that changing the process in one instance or case might give rise to acknowledging that a more universal problem exists within a much broader sense. And correction on this level may require an ideological or philosophical approach, if not one of process and procedures as well.

And lawmakers aren't looking to spend more time and money just for the sake of equality.

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Thanks to confessed murderer George Zimmerman it's open season on Black male teens in Florida. Funny it's always the one with the gun who feels threatened.
When you write stuff like that you don't help. In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if you post it here because you know that many readers don't have all the pieces to the big picture. As horrible as it is, the fact is that most young black men who are murdered are killed by other young black men. I haven't checked stats but if the percentage killed by other races is even 10% I'll be very surprised.

And yeah black men have killed other black men over loud music. Black men have killed other black men who are unarmed. Frequently. But people with your mindset don't seem to really care about that or about seeing more of these black men lead long fulfilling and relatively peaceful lives. You are stuck on mining tragedies to find the things that fits your "look, see, it's the white man doing it" agenda. You really think you're being pro-black? You're not. Spinning on stuff that while sad, horrible and deserving of outrage is also easily sensationalized and represents a small percentage of the violence black kids are facing.

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“Our suspect produced a weapon and started firing into the vehicle. Our victim was shot a couple of times,” Schoonover said. “ … They were listening to the music. It was loud; they [other teens] admitted that. But I mean that is not a reason for someone to open fire on them.”
Sick, twisted sh*t.

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For me, it's recently been about two things:

1) Why are White perpetrators viewed and handled differently than the Black perpetrators, before, during, and after these cases.
2) Why the value placed on human life (on an ethnic level), is strikingly obvious; yet lawmakers refuse to address this glaring dispersant.

Aside...

Though it's true that the two cases were handled differently, in terms of police response, the basis or catalyst for these differences are rarely address and / or corrected.

Often, if not always, these glaring discrepancies are allowed to persist.
I fear that the likely cause may be equally economic as well as race related.
Moreover, lawmakers may believe that changing the process in one instance or case might give rise to acknowledging that a more universal problem exists within a much broader sense. And correction on this level may require an ideological or philosophical approach, if not one of process and procedures as well.

And lawmakers aren't looking to spend more time and money just for the sake of equality.
Precisely! And it seems that the push for reform is arising from the grass roots level, with folks from every station in life driving the push. Public servants at every level are being publicly called-out when they aren't providing justice for all, and we should not rest until justice is served on an equal basis for all. It may seem like a pipe dream, but I believe the day may come when it becomes a living, breathing reality.

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Precisely! And it seems that the push for reform is arising from the grass roots level, with folks from every station in life driving the push. Public servants at every level are being publicly called-out when they aren't providing justice for all, and we should not rest until justice is served on an equal basis for all. It may seem like a pipe dream, but I believe the day may come when it becomes a living, breathing reality.
How's this for bombastic?

But seriously, never will that be in this country, founded on settler colonialism and white supremacy.
Maybe in a new country if we raze over and start over again.


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How's this for bombastic?

But seriously, never will that be in this country, founded on settler colonialism and white supremacy.
Maybe in a new country if we raze over and start over again.
How's this for bombastic??

Look, we are never going to achieve perfection in terms of justice, but that shouldn't dissuade us from pursuing it and finding excellence.

I'm not immune from becoming discouraged but I still believe in possibility.

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How's this for bombastic??

Look, we are never going to achieve perfection in terms of justice, but that shouldn't dissuade us from pursuing it and finding excellence.

I'm not immune from becoming discouraged but I still believe in possibility.
I understand where you're coming from. Most good white people have to believe in that possibility.
Otherwise it renders their entire social world incoherent.


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How's this for bombastic?

But seriously, never will that be in this country, founded on settler colonialism and white supremacy.
Maybe in a new country if we raze over and start over again.
i suppose that would ideally start with a massacre of white people


1804 haiti ethnic cleansing of whites


the man who ordered it

or are you not trying to celebrate this event by putting these two images in your signature and avatar?


edit- sorry, off topic. just rather surprising to see images like this. i can't imagine anyone seriously trying to have a discussion on race issues with a signature of whites being slaughtered by blacks.

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i suppose that would ideally start with a massacre of white people
I shouldn't even dignify this with a response.
In a country like South Africa, maybe. But the US is not a black nation. A massacre of white people would have no viable political ends.

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1804 haiti ethnic cleansing of whites


the man who ordered it

or are you not trying to celebrate this event by putting these two images in your signature and avatar?


edit- sorry, off topic. just rather surprising to see images like this. i can't imagine anyone seriously trying to have a discussion on race issues with a signature of whites being slaughtered by blacks.
Did you just learn these historical facts for the first time tonight?

The tribute to Jean-Jacques Dessalines (the First Emperor of Haiti) is in my avy and sig for Black History Month. The insurrection in St. Domingue was a seminal moment in Black Atlantic history, so yes, I celebrate it. Lots of people do.
And it was not a massacre of whites - Polish and German noncombatants were purposely spared during the Haitian struggle for liberty against the French who raped and enslaved them. You have clearly misread both the piece of work in the signature (which was drawn and dramatized this way specifically for White French colonial sympathizers), and my intentions. This irony is made evident in Boukman's prayer, which is also in my sig. You should look into the historical event, its fascinating stuff.

if the only thing that was legible to you in my avy/sig combination was that white people should be massacred, thats a result of your own projections.


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Did you just learn these historical facts for the first time tonight?

The tribute to Jean-Jacques Dessalines (the First Emperor of Haiti) is in my avy and sig for Black History Month. The insurrection in St. Domingue was a seminal moment in Black Atlantic history, so yes, I celebrate it. Lots of people do.
And it was not a massacre of whites - Polish and Germans were purposely spared during the Haitian struggle for liberty against the French who raped and enslaved them. You have clearly misread both the piece of work in the signature (which was drawn and dramatized this way specifically for White French colonial sympathizers), and my intentions. This irony is made evident in Boukman's prayer, which is also in my sig. You should look into the historical event, its fascinating stuff.

if the only thing that was legible to you in my avy/sig combination was that white people should be massacred, thats a result of your own projections.
i recognized dessalines from studying this event in school. the images i've seen that commemorate haiti's liberation are usually more...uplifting. like soldiers fighting soldiers. i don't think i've encountered many people picking the post-freedom annihilation of white french men, women, and children as the event to celebrate. that's why i interpreted it as your being gleeful about blacks slaughtering whites in the past. apologies for misreading your intentions.
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i suppose that would ideally start with a massacre of white people


1804 haiti ethnic cleansing of whites


the man who ordered it

or are you not trying to celebrate this event by putting these two images in your signature and avatar?


edit- sorry, off topic. just rather surprising to see images like this. i can't imagine anyone seriously trying to have a discussion on race issues with a signature of whites being slaughtered by blacks.
Really?
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