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(CNN) -- French ministers grappled Wednesday with the issue of same-sex marriage and adoption rights as the Cabinet approved a draft bill in the face of fierce resistance from the Roman Catholic Church and social conservatives.
Extending the right to marry and adopt to same-sex couples was one of President Francois Hollande's electoral pledges in campaigning this year.
The bill is expected to go before the National Assembly and Senate in January, and is likely to be voted on in February or March. If passed, it would mark the biggest step forward for French gay rights advocates in more than a decade.
The office of Dominique Bertinotti, minister for family affairs in Hollande's Socialist government, confirmed the bill had been presented to and approved by ministers Wednesday morning.
An opinion poll released Wednesday by polling group Ifop and Le Monde newspaper found 65% of those surveyed support equal marriage rights for same-sex couples -- a clear majority of the population.
However, opinion on the question of adoption rights for same-sex couples is split almost down the middle, with 52% in favor, according to the Ifop-Le Monde survey conducted October 29-31.
Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois, the archbishop of Paris, voiced his opposition to the proposed legislation at a meeting of French bishops in Lourdes over the weekend.
Opening up marriage to same-sex couples "would be a transformation of marriage that would affect everyone," he said.
At the same time, failing to recognize gender difference within marriage and the family would be a "deceit" that would rock the foundations of society and lead to discrimination between children, he said.
Other religious groups in France, including Muslims, Jews and Buddhists, have also expressed their concern over the draft bill, and more than 100 lawmakers are against the legislation, according to CNN affiliate BFM-TV. Hundreds of mayors around the country have also voiced their opposition to the bill.
However, it has won wide backing from gay rights advocates.
The French gay, lesbian and transgender rights group Inter-LGBT said the law, if passed, "would be a major advance for our country in terms of equality of rights."
Lawmakers have a "unique opportunity" to put an end to outdated discrimination, the group said in an online statement. "The law must allow all couples to unite themselves as they wish and must protect all families, without discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation or gender identity," it said.
The group has called for supporters to rally in front of the National Assembly in Paris on Wednesday evening.
Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault has said the proposed changes are a matter of justice and equality that reflect the evolving nature of society.
Other divisive questions such as whether same-sex couples should have the right to free reproductive assistance, and the rights of same-sex couples who aren't married to adopt will be tackled in a "complementary law" on the family, he said, allowing further debate on the issue.
A law legalizing civil unions was introduced in 1999 in France under a previous Socialist government.
Known in France as the PACS (pacte civil de solidarite), the civil union agreement can be entered into by gay or straight couples and confers many but not all of the rights of marriage.
In elections in the United States on Tuesday, the states of Maine and Maryland became the first to approve same-sex marriage through a popular vote in referendums on the question.
Thirty-eight U.S. states have passed bans on marriages between people of the same gender, mostly by amending their constitutions to define marriage as the union between a man and a woman. In those states where same-sex couples had previously won the right to marry, it was because of action by legislators or judges.
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The butthurt of right wing people is so enjoyable they are comparing gay people to zoophilia, incest, pedophilia sometimes....



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The butthurt of right wing people is so enjoyable they are comparing gay people to zoophilia, incest, pedophilia sometimes....


I'm definitely from the right wing but I support same-sex marriage....

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I'm definitely from the right wing but I support same-sex marriage....
Well you are from the minority sadly. I am just talking about Dassault, Copé, etc. who are all butthurt

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Finally, France seem so late on this, normally they would be considered a very socially liberal country, although I guess it was Sarko or some right wing bullshit holding them back. I'm not that well versed on French politics.
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Finally, France seem so late on this, normally they would be considered a very socially liberal country, although I guess it was Sarko or some right wing bullshit holding them back. I'm not that well versed on French politics.
Jospin was Chirac's prime minister from 1997 to 2002, he initiated the PACS (in the article, it's mentioned : A law legalizing civil unions was introduced in 1999 in France under a previous Socialist government. ). He used to be against the gay marriage in 2004, saying it was denaturing the essence of the marriage. He changed his mind later (2006-2007), partly convinced by his wife, and partly he got more open-minded with time.
Now, he is totally pro-gay marriage.

After Jospin in 2002, it was 10 years of Chirac, Sarkozy, right wing politics.... It was out of question to talk about gay marriage, especially with Sarkozy.

In 2007, Royal wanted to legalize the gay marriage, but lost to Sarkozy (I guess because she is a woman, maybe France was not ready yet, plus she said some BS). Then, this year, Hollande made it as a huge promise in his program, and as he got elected, promised it would be applied in 2013.

Funnily enough, the right wing, after Sarkozy's departure, has to elect their new leader. Jean-François Copé is 100% against it, he even said that if he was president in 2017, he would abrogate the gay marriage law OTOH, François Fillon is such a coward He said he was against gay marriage but as it was gonna be voted by the representants of the people, then he would accept it and would not abrogate the law, even if he won 2017 elections. He doesn't want to admit he doesn't care at all.

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Up to death... Sad.

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Is that Malaysia? Ouch. But not Indonesia?

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Nice to see some blue filled in on the U.S. map. Almost the entire northeast now has same-sex marriage.

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South Africa is so odd compared with its neighbours I'm glad but most of the rest of Anglo-Africa has awful LGBT rights records.
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