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This editorial makes the case that the convicted criminal and his associated might have violated U.S. law as well:

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/09/17...ss-legal-line/

"Of particular import is the strong suspicion that the real purpose of the film was to incite a violent reaction in the Muslim world. According to Steve Klein, interviewed after the eruption of protests in the Muslim world, “we went into this knowing this was probably going to happen.”

Klein told Nakoula, “you are going to be the next Theo van Gogh,” the Dutch film maker who was murdered in 2004 after making a film that defamed Islam. Subsequently, Nakoula’s accomplice, Morris Sadek, contacted an Egyptian newspaper reporter, Gamel Girgis, and told him he had an exclusive story about a American who made an anti-Muslim video. Sadek’s obvious intention was to make the video known to the Egyptian public."

Free speech that incites people to violence and murder is not protected by the first amendment, any more than libel or slander is. Klein has admitted the intent of making and releasing this video was solely to outrage Muslims.

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ENOUGH.

More than enough. I hate religions sfm I mean, it's sad because I know many many lovely muslims who have asked nothing, but peace in their own religion. They are the majority. But sadly, people focus on the noisy minority (the extremists). Truly sad.

But enough.

Charlie Hebdo (extreme left newspaper in France) published some caricatures of Intouchables 2 with Mahomet and a random Jewish dude.



Jesus fucking christ. I can't with dramaqueens (WTF at our prime minister condemning Charlie Hebdo, hello you used to defend them in 2006 ! and France is secular ! ) being mad over this. I mean.... these are fucking caricatures, it won't fucking hurt anyone, they always draw caricatures of everyone, and I don't see why religions should not be concerned. Freedom speech amirite ? Gah. Sure, one could argue the timing is more than insensitive, but they already published some Mahomet caricatures in 2006, and some people complained

Google results about Charlie Hebdo : many different caricatures

Now, they have to protect french ambassadors in muslim countries Seriously, it's worrying if they get attacked over meaningless caricatures. I've heard much worse than these caricatures, and it's not a reason to kill people.

Really. I don't get it.

I do wonder why extremist muslims (so islamists) are so fucking extremist and we hear a lot about them these times. Don't they never learn? Maybe it is due to the Coran being outdated and its propency to be interpreted in 1154545 different ways, just like the Bible ?

Anti-islam policies are ridiculous, because of them, more and more people hate muslim people overall while most of them are peacuful and horrified by recent events. But I don't think these extremists are doing a good job to promote their religion by killing innocent people just in the name of Allah. It's sad really.

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^ WOW these Muslim extremists are just silly. Getting worked up over THIS?

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I posit that any extremist, of any stripe, is by definition, silly.

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You know, religion as a whole is the single most destructive force in this world.

I pride myself on being an atheist.

All my views and beliefs are my own and I don't have to check myself against a guidebook of how I should behave.

The problem with religion is that people try to hold themselves to a set of rules that are hard or impossible to obey. Then you get the outcome of this obeyance and it causes violence.

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You know, religion as a whole is the single most destructive force in this world.
What was relligion of Stalin ?


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The belief that man is an irresolute creature pulled this way and that by two forces of equal strength, alternately winning and losing the battle for his soul; the conviction that human life is nothing more than an uncertain struggle between heaven and hell; the faith in two opposed entities, Satan and Christ - all this was bound to engender those internal discords in which the mind, excited by the incessant fighting, stimulated as it were by the constant promises and threats, ends up by giving in and prostitutes itself to whichever of the two combatants has been more obstinate in its pursuit. Life isn't black and white, it's gold.
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Probably. It's a shame that they would you use theire new found freedom to kill and pillage.
I bet many would like to see the likes of Khadaffi back in power controlling these ... let me stop.


Bush started two wars and demanded democracy in that region - looks like he got his wish after all.

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What was relligion of Stalin ?
He was a student at a Georgian Orthodox seminary.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.



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^ WOW these Muslim extremists are just silly. Getting worked up over THIS?

Well, at least they are worked up over something tangible.

Bush got worked up and started a war on Iraq which killed tens of thousands over something that was imaginary.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.



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Bush started two wars and demanded democracy in that region - looks like he got his wish after all.
Lybia is not "that region". Geography fail.

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He was a student at a Georgian Orthodox seminary.
Im not asking what he studied, Im asking in the name of wich religion he killed people.

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Lybia Libya is not "that region". Geography fail.
Not. (They're all Muslim majority countries). The area stretches from Morocco to Pakistan, on to Bangladesh and then Indonesia. (Also northern Mali, plus much of Sudan and Somalia; plus much of the 5 "stans" in the southern territory of the former Soviet Union).
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Not. (They're all Muslim majority countries). The area stretches from Morocco to Pakistan, on to Bangladesh and then Indonesia. (Also northern Mali, plus much of Sudan and Somalia).
Does Turkey includes to "the area" as well ? What about Kosovo, Albania or France ?

Anyway, it was not Bush who invaded Libya.

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Does Turkey includes to "the area" as well ? What about Kosovo, Albania or France ?

Anyway, it was not Bush who invaded Libya.
Modern Turkey still has founder Mustafa Kemal Atatuk's strict wall of separation between religion and government from circa 1923, which is guaranteed by a strong military. Even its present devoutly Islamic government has respected that.

You could add Albania to my list, though as an "island" in Christian Europe, it wields very little power; and ethnic Albanian majority Kosovo is fighting for its autonomy, etc. (not to wage jihad). Your question about France is too stupid 2B worthy of an answer.

And zuperfann explicitly blamed Bush for 2 regional wars (Iraq and Afghanistan). Regarding Libya, I've said several times here that Obama should have made the rebels accept the same proposed African Union brokered ceasefire Khaddafi was willing to. (And Security Council Resolution 1973 envisioned only that).
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