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I think we need to face the fact that sometimes the best form of government in places like these is a dictatorship

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Half of them over there are fucking mad in the head anyway, doesn't surprise me.
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Half of them over there are fucking mad in the head anyway, doesn't surprise me.
That's pretty much the case in every country

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Now, the Iraq war was a massive mistake that was brought on by a few religious zealots because they had their puppet in office in GWB but I can assure you that most Americans are not happy with how that turned out, particularly after it was found out they were lied to about WMD.

This thread is very frustrating especially when you see people criticizing Americans the same way they claim Americans criticize Muslims or other countries. It's so hypocritical.
If that is right then why did America bring back Bush for another term, apart from the probability that voting results in Ohio were rigged.
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If that is right then why did America bring back Bush for another term, apart from the probability that voting results in Ohio were rigged.
People turned against Bush and the Iraq war more after the '04 election. I don't think most Americans understood they were lied to about WMD until after he was re-elected even though there was obviously evidence beforehand. During his second term he became one of the least popular presidents in U.S. history.

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Hate speech must be condemned by peace makers ( obviously not by fool anti-islamists)
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On Friday morning, in view of smoldering vehicles and tear gas billowing from the ground, three young Christians covered their face as the gas moved ever closer.

“We will stand by our Muslim brothers in this troubled time. We are all Egyptians,” Farid, a 22-year-old university student and self-described Ultra, or an avid football fan among the many who have taken frontline positions in the current clashes in downtown Cairo, told Bikyamasr.com.

While the minority among the throngs of Muslims in downtown Cairo, they have a strong sense of belonging.

“As Christians, we should feel a responsibility to be here and help support Muslims who are being attacked because it appears to have been Christians and Egyptians who made the film. That is disgraceful,” he added. His two colleagues nodded in agreement.

“If we are disagreeing about other things that’s fine, but right now this violence by the security forces is unacceptable. It was a peaceful protest that was attacked that started this and now we are all needed,” he argued.
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If you read newpapers from egypt, they lied to muslims about the youtube video.
They called it a movie and said it was being screened across america.
Seems intentional, and seems like there's more to it than our media says.
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Because that's what religious extremists do.
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People turned against Bush and the Iraq war more after the '04 election. I don't think most Americans understood they were lied to about WMD until after he was re-elected even though there was obviously evidence beforehand. During his second term he became one of the least popular presidents in U.S. history.
and yet some Americans wonder why they are so maligned at times. I think that most people in Europe thought the WMD debacle was a smokescreen so paltry that it would insult a raccoon's intelligence. Yes, some people just never let up on Americans, which must be so tiresome but it's the fact that the Bushes, Palins and Romneys are not only taken seriously in the public/political sphere but that they are actually taken so seriously by some people that they can be considered as suitable leaders. Of course, everyone knows that not everyone in America voted for these buffoons but it's alarming that millions upon millions not only would vote for the likes of them but actually have! I was disappointed when Bush was elected but I was completely and utterly confounded when he was reelected. I did not follow the 2004 election at all because I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Bush would lose. The man was barely fit to run a gas-station, never mind the most powerful nation on the planet. I'm sure Americans don't like to hear outsiders offering and even broadcasting their opinions so much but what happens in the U.S.A. effects the rest of the world sooner or later and Bush's election was quite the fuck-up. His reelection was...well, there just aren't words to adequately describe what a mistake it was.

Anyway, this whole situation with these protests is just getting so out of hand. I can't believe that lives have been lost over a film. It was so shocking that Hilary Clinton actually had to make an address and spell it out as plainly as possible that the American government did not produce this film and deplored its content. She went on to speak of the fact that just because all Americans are afforded freedom of speech that that doesn't mean the government likes or agrees with everything they say. I suppose that the concept of freedom of speech really must not be totally understood by some of these "protesters." Their actions make me sick. Targeting Westerners and bringing such chaos and destruction to their own cities.

It's important to remember that these people represent a minority, even if that minority is not as small as we'd like it to be. I saw this picture the other day which was, at least, a little reassuring.

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That's pretty much the case in every country
well that's a given, even then they generally are middle eastern protesting against some cartoon or whatever and burning some foreign flag when shit hits the fan.

Didn't Sydney have unauthorized protests yesterday?

I think there was a kid with a sign saying something along the lines of all people who deface Allah should be beheaded....

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A shame, a minority of extremists really paints a shit picture of the situation.
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The US is not a perfect country, but I got to admit it's overwhelming to see what's happening out there. It's discouraging to see so much hatred.

The only thing I can say is that " I love all my fellow Americans." I wouldn't want to be in any other place.
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The guy who made the video is a monumental asshole and by all accounts his video is vile if wholly amateurish stuff.

That said the hysterical and sometimes violent reaction of some Muslims is too much. If they are so convinced of their faith, they should have a thick enough skin to disregard things said about their religion, no matter how bad.

They also have no monopoly on being offended...at so many such events the American flag is burnt by a baying mob...surely that is profoundly offensive to many Americans too?

I welcome those Muslims who have stood against such behaviour and hope they can prevail.

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