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The Arabic phrase above (next to) "Islam against terrorism" says "No to violence." That's on a lot of the signs.



Update III: Benmansour explains the sign on the right approximately translates as, "We disapprove/condemn the humiliation of the prophet but NOT with Terrorism."

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Not blind. Not uninformed. We are party to atrocities. But the response of the world after 9/11 is worth noting. Even our most dire enemies offered aid. We should all be so lucky.

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While I believe you are very objective and respect your views, there is just no way the whole Assange thing was treated fairly.

Oh look, someone tells the truth finally and what happens?

They dig up some story and say he's endangering peoples lives, based on misdeads THEY have done, evil they have created.

So people in power can so whatever they want and we have to protect them based on some notion of perceived power and authority?

They lose that authority when they commit heinous acts and then lie to the masses.

Do you honestly believe the masses are told everything?

Someone tells the truth and the government and media ostrascises them. Lo and behold all the sheep follow their shepherd.
I agree with you in as much as that I think it was impossible for the media to present him "fairly" when he was facing all these political accusations, and then legal accussations. Any "fair" portrayal would have involved digging into government motives, getting really dirty in the back story. It's hard to portray such a politically charged situation neutrally. The media can be accused of cowardice more than arrogance. I follow most of my current affairs on the BBC or Guardian newspaper and I personally don't feel they did a poor job all things considered.

My sister actually went to see Julian Assange speak at a literature festival (yes he was allowed to move around the country freely ) - after the initial wikileaks break, his name was already synonymous with international scandal - it was the best attended event there. People wanted to hear his side and hear him speak. Not everyone is a brainwashed sheep, some people realise there is more than one side to every story. Not everyone was arrogantly condemning him.

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I agree with you in as much as that I think it was impossible for the media to present him "fairly" when he was facing all these political accusations, and then legal accussations. Any "fair" portrayal would have involved digging into government motives, getting really dirty in the back story. It's hard to portray such a politically charged situation other than from the political perspective. The media can be accused of cowardice more than arrogance. I follow most of my current affairs on the BBC or Guardian newspaper and I personally don't feel they did a poor job all things considered.

My sister actually went to see Julian Assange speak at a literature festival - after the initial wikileaks break, his name was already synonymous with international scandal - it was the best attended event there. People wanted to hear his side and hear him speak. Not everyone is a brainwashed sheep, some people realise there is more than one side to every story. Not everyone was arrogantly condemning him.
The media is controlled by the governments and the governments control the world.

I know that they need to squash him, and quickly.

One person cannot change the world.

We live in a world of greed and lies. The government say we need lies to survive but some of us are smart enough to understand.

You are right, there is no way the governments of the world and their motives will ever be questioned. It's the same old, those in power are protected and the little man trying to make a difference is quashed.

What bugs me is how obvious the whole thing seems. Yet everyone I speek with wants him charged, even though he is probably telling the truth.

It seems most want to believe the lies and get on with their ant-like existence.

I know some people still use their brain.

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Warms my heart. In many ways the media fails to do its job by not sharing this story.

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Warms my heart. In many ways the media fails to do its job by not sharing this story.
Kind of an oddment in the reporting I'm seeing and hearing today, even on NPR, is that 'AntiAmerican demonstrations are sweeping Egypt, Yemen, Tunis ....' and 'American Ambassador killed', yet what's happening IN Libya isn't being reported.

NOTE: Libya just had a war we helped on side win. The guys on the losing side aren't gone. The fighting has just stopped. The country is full of weapons, the central government is weak, and it's a tribal society in the first place. Somebody who wants the Americans out just made their move. A move. There will be more.

My vote is we find out who financed and organized this, and 'extraordinary render' their fat ass back here, and have a very public trial. And if they give up every goddamn one of their cronies, they live. At Gitmo, on bread and water, but they live.

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BTW, the Arab Spring was going to have to go through this. The USA was basically at war, one way or another, from the Revolutionary War til the Civil War. French and Indian War, War of 1812, the Civil War, the War against Mexico, the Indian wars .... and look at the history of Europe!

You take a bunch of people out of an autocracy (or multiple autocracies) into a situation where there's weak, if any central force, and you get anarchy. For a while. Then things sort themselves out. Hopefully NOT into another autocracy.

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NOTE: Libya just had a war we helped on side win. The guys on the losing side aren't gone. The fighting has just stopped. The country is full of weapons, the central government is weak, and it's a tribal society in the first place. Somebody who wants the Americans out just made their move. A move. There will be more.
How would many Americans react to foreign troops in the USA?

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It's a really sad situation. Mainly because our President is the son of a Muslim father and was raised in an Islamic country yet the rest of the world thinks that America is on some crusade. I speak truthfully when I say that almost all Americans have nothing against Islam.

The Iraq war was for sure a mistake, and set back international affairs for a generation.

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The Islam war was about oil.

Do you really think Obama gave a fuck about the Muslims?

All US Presidents are the same. A picture perfect solution that never works.

Start believing the real.

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The Islam war was about oil.

Do you really think Obama gave a fuck about the Muslims?

All US Presidents are the same. A picture perfect solution that never works.

Start believing the real.
I do think Obama gives a fuck about Muslims, just as he cares about individuals of all religions. If you don't, then you know nothing about his worldview or what drove him into politics in the first place. As I said in my earlier post, Americans for the most part, are as welcoming and as open to different religions, races, and cultures as any other country in the world. If they weren't, then Obama wouldn't have been elected in the first place. For some reason, other nations like to look down on America but I've spent an extensive amount of time in other countries and I am always astonished at how backward all of these supposed enlightened countries are on race relations and toward religions that are different from their own. It's easy to scapegoat a certain country but the average American could not give a shit about whether someone is a Muslim or whether someone is from the middle east. Sure, there are extremists and racists here but no more than there are in other Western countries.

Now, the Iraq war was a massive mistake that was brought on by a few religious zealots because they had their puppet in office in GWB but I can assure you that most Americans are not happy with how that turned out, particularly after it was found out they were lied to about WMD.

This thread is very frustrating especially when you see people criticizing Americans the same way they claim Americans criticize Muslims or other countries. It's so hypocritical.

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If Islam is a religion of peace, why are these people getting all up in arms over a fucking bad film? Any excuse to act a fool right? Seriously, I'm so embarrassed for the actors Take a look at the mess




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The US should stop giving these countries financial aid.
Lol if it weren't for the oil on these countries the US wouldn't be the superpower country it is today.

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Lol if it weren't for the oil on these countries the US wouldn't be the superpower country it is today.
Seriously?

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Seriously?
Yea look it up.

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If Islam is a religion of peace, why are these people getting all up in arms over a fucking bad film?
Because that's what religious extremists do. Who killed Dr. George Tiller? Who carried out the Crusades? Who sat on their hands in Europe while Hitler murdered the Jews. Who HELPED Hitler murder the Jews? What sets India against Pakistan, war after war after war? Why is Israel a rogue nature that can murder it's neighbors with impunity, yet, guess what? They have a valid point?

Religious extremists. The psychos who says God want them to murder the unbelievers. Every insult to God much be avenged. As if God, if there is one, couldn't take care of vengeance just fine.

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