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Don't know how much play this is getting in the west, but rows here in Asia over the sovereignty of certain Islands are really threatening to get out of control.

China is a key player in many of the disputes, as is Japan, but numerous countries are involved and developments are very worrying.

Most recently a dispute over the Senkaku Islands has erupted with first Chinese activists going to the islands to make a show of claiming them for China, then Japanese nationalists landing in turn and erecting Japanese flags.

This has caused anti-Japanese rioting in China, with Japanese made cars being attacked...

Like most such disputes I don't think there is a nice easy answer to who has the valid claim.

Just I would hope that in this and all such disputes cool heads prevail, and that we don't let the extreme nationalists on all sides dictate the agenda.

The background is worrying...living in Japan I was surprised by the extent to which an anti-Chinese feeling is the norm. Of course polls show it is mirrored by widespread anti-Japanese feeling in China.

In short it's a very dangerous mess.

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well history gives reason for the huge hatred. The Pacific region is now premier in geopolitics.

China, America, Russia (to a extent), Japan, the Korean Peninsular, the various disputes over the South China Sea, vast populations in Vietnam, Philippines and Indonesia, all in all a interesting mix.

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Korea and Japan were just having a spat a few weeks ago and before that it was China and the Philippines. No one really has the authority to settle the competing claims so it seems like this will continue forever. I don't know if any country is willing to go to war over this though. China has the ambition to claim all the islands but knows that it doesn't want to trigger an increase in US military presence in its own backyard.

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Is there any country China don't have a dispute with in the area?

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To be fair though Japan too is involved in multiple disputes, with both the Koreas, China, Taiwan, Russia.

It's partly national pride, it's partly the prospect of natural resources that have all these countries scrambling for land.

Add to the mix unresolved tensions from the second world war, and it's very dangerous.

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Dangerous?I don't think so

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Yet were there not anti-Japanese demonstrations the other day? I saw them on the news here in Japan, people were smashing up things that were Japanese made. It was extensively featured here on Japanese news bulletins. There are long standing issues between China and Japan that need resolving once and for all in a positive way.

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The Republic of China (Taiwan)'s land claims are absurd. It makes the PRC's squabbles over small islands look very reasonable in comparison.
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Don't know how much play this is getting in the west, but rows here in Asia over the sovereignty of certain Islands are really threatening to get out of control.

China is a key player in many of the disputes, as is Japan, but numerous countries are involved and developments are very worrying.

Most recently a dispute over the Senkaku Islands has erupted with first Chinese activists going to the islands to make a show of claiming them for China, then Japanese nationalists landing in turn and erecting Japanese flags.

This has caused anti-Japanese rioting in China, with Japanese made cars being attacked...

Like most such disputes I don't think there is a nice easy answer to who has the valid claim.

Just I would hope that in this and all such disputes cool heads prevail, and that we don't let the extreme nationalists on all sides dictate the agenda.

The background is worrying...living in Japan I was surprised by the extent to which an anti-Chinese feeling is the norm. Of course polls show it is mirrored by widespread anti-Japanese feeling in China.

In short it's a very dangerous mess.

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This has caused anti-Japanese rioting in China, with Japanese made cars being attacked...
so stupid...
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Japaness, they try to steal everything from China and Korea, but got all the American support

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dokdo

Dokdo/Takeshima. Quite a bone of contention between Korea and Japan...they're just a couple of jagged rocks but Korea put a little base on it in the early 90s and sent a couple of people to live there. They are claimed for territory and fishing reasons but there is some suggestion that there may be gas deposits in the area. For the average Korean it seems mostly a matter of pride/territory. They do look to be a little closer to Korea than Japan.

I didn't like what Park Jong-woo did at the Olympics though.

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