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post #211 of 393 (permalink) Old Feb 3rd, 2013, 10:32 PM
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At first I only support gay unions because the bible says marriage is between a woman and a man. But then I had to rethink, I don't believe every single thing in the bible. (homosexuality as a negativity in particular) so ...i've always felt that Love is love no matter what sex so...if you want to marry the person you love.....DO IT. I doubt I ever marry a man, but I know if I ever find the man I love like that, I would want to have that option.

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Is the social not natural though, being a circumstance of natural environment? I agree with your other points, though. I just think that the natural/social distinction is a bad one.
I suppose in this case what's natural has been built through social development. As in, the preferred family construction for generation has been a mom and a dad. So, for sure, when you've been indoctrinated to idealized that set-up, it's only natural that you'll want that, because you've never been exposed to the alternative. But you're not born wanting heterosexual parents. You need a sperm and an egg to make life; nothing out there says that in order for a child to develop into a well-adjusted, happy person, that the owners of that egg and sperm have to raise that child. People think that that's what you need because they've been fed that ideology.
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Gay parents isn't a problem. People say that it is because the child might get bullied at school but if more and more gays start to adopt then a social evolution would take place where it will slowly become more and more normal for a kid to have 2 dads or 2 mothers. Then there would be no bullying because it would just seem like a 'norm'.

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I thought by natural, he meant "innate".
What do you mean by innate?

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I suppose in this case what's natural has been built through social development. As in, the preferred family construction for generation has been a mom and a dad. So, for sure, when you've been indoctrinated to idealized that set-up, it's only natural that you'll want that, because you've never been exposed to the alternative. But you're not born wanting heterosexual parents. You need a sperm and an egg to make life; nothing out there says that in order for a child to develop into a well-adjusted, happy person, that the owners of that egg and sperm have to raise that child. People think that that's what you need because they've been fed that ideology.
I agree. Most of us have been indoctrinated by millennia of human experience to see the family in certain particular configurations. As our social circumstances shift and change, so will our perceptions.


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Gay parents isn't a problem. People say that it is because the child might get bullied at school but if more and more gays start to adopt then a social evolution would take place where it will slowly become more and more normal for a kid to have 2 dads or 2 mothers. Then there would be no bullying because it would just seem like a 'norm'.
gays are about 5% , so it will never be more and more normal.... Being tolerant for adults migh become normal , but children bulling someone who is not like them is what is really "normal"

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gays are about 5% , so it will never be more and more normal.... Being tolerant for adults migh become normal , but children bulling someone who is not like them is what is really "normal"
Mixed race children are bullied for having parents of different races. Should interracial marriage be stopped too, for the sake of the children?

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gays are about 5% , so it will never be more and more normal.... Being tolerant for adults migh become normal , but children bulling someone who is not like them is what is really "normal"
Really? 5%? Children will bully each other for whatever reason regardless of what their parental makeup is.

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Not learned from experience, i.e., present at birth.
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The majority of bullied childs are raised by straight parents, shouldn't straight people be forbiden to raise children being the situation like that? I mean that's the logical.

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Mixed race children are bullied for having parents of different races. Should interracial marriage be stopped too, for the sake of the children?

Humans are a resilient species. Bullying won't kill them.
I agree with you, but just to add something else to that. Children are even bullied for having fat or ugly attractive parents. However you shouldn't ban fat/ugly people from having children too.

Proper parenting prevents their children being bullies.

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well, as a translator, I still waiting to see that one day I might get the gay marriage translation fall into my hands to translated it and legalized at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand


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post #222 of 393 (permalink) Old Feb 4th, 2013, 05:41 AM
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Lol at the bullying argument. Don't tell us to not adopt kids because they'd be bullied. Raise your kids better so that they don't become bullies.
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I really don't care about gay marriages as long as they don't have church weddings.
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Lol at the bullying argument. Don't tell us to not adopt kids because they'd be bullied. Raise your kids better so that they don't become bullies.
Studies have shown that children of gay couples aren't bullied any more frequently than the children of straight couples. They're bullied because of their parents more frequently, but that's indicative of bullies picking something to teas a kid about that they were going to tease anyway. Translation if Bullied Billy wasn't getting bullied because he has two dads he'd be getting bullied because he's fat, or wears glasses, or whatever other reason that gives easy ammunition...
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If you didn't have gay parents, you wouldn't be getting bullied. What kind of dumb ass perspective is that? If your parents actually raised you right, you wouldn't be bullying others is more like it.
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