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http://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/meet...who_mean_well/

Nick Devin is a happily married man in his mid-60s with four grown children. “I have advanced degrees from prestigious universities, a very good job, a lot of friends and am well-respected in my community,” he writes on his Web site. “In short, I have a very good life.”

But he’s also a pedophile. While he experiences some attraction to adult women, he only fantasizes about pubescent boys — and none of his family or friends know. He says he’s never acted on his desires, though.

Devin is the co-founder of a new organization for men like himself: Virtuous Pedophiles. “We do not choose to be attracted to children, and we cannot make that attraction go away,” reads the group’s Web site. “But we can resist the temptation to abuse children sexually, and many of us present no danger to children whatsoever.” The goal of the organization is to offer support to pedophiles who want to live virtuously and to raise public awareness about the fact that such pedophiles exist.

It’s hard to know just how many there are of these “gold-star pedophiles,” as sex columnist Dan Savage calls them. James Cantor, a clinical psychologist and editor in chief of the scientific journal “Sexual Abuse,” says, “In my clinic, roughly half of the people who commit an offense against a child is pedophilic. We do not know, however, how many pedophiles there are who never commit any offenses and never come to our attention.” That’s because very few pedophiles will voluntarily out themselves, given the stigma; and due to mandatory reporting rules, which are open to interpretation, non-offending pedophiles can reasonably fear being reported to the police...

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Interesting. I think it's brave of them (him) to come out and say that he has these attractions. Maybe this organization can help men/women who have these attractions to control their impulses so they won't abuse a child.
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I'm all for giving people a chance. I hope he can mantain his well behave.

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Isn't pedophilia treated as a mental orientation in Greece?

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poor guy
we should also start a support group for those virtuous men who just can't help themselves from wanting to rape women all the time.
must be tough being born wanting to inflict that shit on others.
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It raises the question of where does being sexually abnormal begin and simply having taboo fantasies end. Most of us have fantasies we have no intention of acting on, so I wonder what the difference between just having fantasies and being a pedophile is in this instance.

I'm not saying there isn't a difference, I just wonder where the line is.

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You gotta feel for him

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poor guy
we should also start a support group for those virtuous men who just can't help themselves from wanting to rape women all the time.
must be tough being born wanting to inflict that shit on others.
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Don't praise these men, what's wrong with you people?instead we should be interviewing the people around them. I do not for one minute believe these men have never acted on it.not for one second. See also: NAMBLA

I forgot to add Dan savage is a douche. He makes my skin crawl.
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Nope, I feel bad for all the children he's molested
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Nope, I feel bad for all the children he's molested
You gotta feel for him, if he has never indeed molested any children. Why are you so sure he has?

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If we are to believe that this is a sexual orientation, and I don't see why not, then many of us who identify as gay can understand that orientation is not something that can be changed (even if there is a small degree of fluidity). If so, why should these people not deserve our sympathy?

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I'm not sure that we're talking about the same roots of orientation, though. I think that while the basic orientation is more or less hard-wired, I'm not so sure about the permutations of our orientations.

For example, I know I'm straight. But I'm not so sure that my preference for women who look like Lena D. is programmed into my genes. It's complex.

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poor guy
we should also start a support group for those virtuous men who just can't help themselves from wanting to rape women all the time.
must be tough being born wanting to inflict that shit on others.
wanting to do something (or better said, having a desire to do something) is rather different from acting on it. i'm sure billions of people have wanted to kill someone, but as long as they didn't act on it, that's "ok"

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Don't praise these men, what's wrong with you people?instead we should be interviewing the people around them. I do not for one minute believe these men have never acted on it.not for one second. See also: NAMBLA

I forgot to add Dan savage is a douche. He makes my skin crawl.
why? different thing of course, but how many homosexuals have gone through life without ever giving in to their desires for religious reasons or for reasons of bringing shame to themselves and their family or to avoid potential persecution? millions. naturally, my opinion on homosexuality is that it should be just as acceptable as heterosexuality, whereas sex with children is by definition wrong as a child cannot legally consent, etc, etc. however, if some people naturally feel sexual desires towards children, in the same way that homosexuals feel sexual desires to members of their own sex, then it isn't something that paedophiles can control. with that being said, surely those who "suffer from" paedophilic tendencies should be praised for not acting on their desires?

just to get this straight, i think of sex criminals as the lowest of the low. anyone who abuses children, rapes women (or men), etc deserves all that they get. that doesn't mean that people who have urges and inclinations to do certain things can't be praised for controlling themselves.

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Nope, I feel bad for all the children he's molested
that is a libellous, defammatory remark, and quite frankly isn't something that you shouyld be able to go around saying, even on an internet message board.

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It must be horrible to have those kind of feelings/attractions. I like how films like Happiness and Little Children have shown pedophiles in a more complex fashion. I do think these people should be commended for not acting on their desires. It's too bad that they are wired that way to begin with.

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I never really thought of pedophilia as equivalent to sexual orientation cuz I doubt people are really born wanting to fuck a kid . As far as i know usually something traumatic happened in their lives to trigger it, so it's not something inherent or unchangeable imo. Furthermore, I don't believe pedo's go around genuinely thinking kids are sexy, rather there's an element of sadism.
Otherwise they wouldn't want to sex people that don't want to be sexed!

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