WW II thread - Page 6 - TennisForum.com

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #76 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 5th, 2012, 02:40 AM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

they were also unlucky too; according to Beevor's book Germany originally planned to attack through Netherland and Belgium,
but their plan got out due to a German pilot's unlucky landing. So GBR and FRA naturally concentrated their troops in
that area (and both NED and BEL stubbornly refused to work with them in case they might 'provoke' GER )

So, Germany needed an alternative route; hence, Ardenne. FRA never, ever thought that it was possible for GER to go
through that area.
fantic is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #77 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 5th, 2012, 07:15 AM
Senior Member
 
Remix13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,082
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by miffedmax View Post
Certainly France's darkest hour. IIRC, the French also forgot that the original plan for the Maginot Line called for a mobile reaction force to back it up, but over time they came to again believe solely in static defense and were thus locked into the wheel into Belgium.
Indeed probably one of the most shameful hour in France history (and it's quite recent so everybody knows about that), thanks to our brilliant general staff of the time

Maria Kirilenko
Remix13 is offline  
post #78 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 5th, 2012, 08:09 AM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Remix13 View Post
Indeed probably one of the most shameful hour in France history (and it's quite recent so everybody knows about that), thanks to our brilliant general staff of the time
In retrospect France was done already when they didn't do anything against Germany's breaking into
Rhineland in 1936, in blatant breach of the Versailles Treaty. Clemanceau would've acted immediately. But those
political and military leaders then were SO timid..I believe it was Gamelin who scared the politicians by
exaggerating Germany's military strength then? Or was it somebody else? Anyway, you gotta hand it to them,
they practically acted as Germany's spy, bravo
fantic is offline  
post #79 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 5th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Worshipping the bangs
 
miffedmax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Larsson's Player Forum
Posts: 54,589
                     
Re: WW II thread

What was it, something like 90% of the German tanks and transport actually broke down when they moved into the Rhineland?

That wasn't entirely France's fault. Even though they would have had the Treaty of Versailles as justification, they probably would have received very little support from the rest of Europe. The British and the Poles were still more worried about the Soviets, the Italians were a little nervous about their future allies but were in no condition to stop them with a very weak military and the US was at best going to stay neutral, at worst it might actually have been slightly pro-German as Germany was a major trading partner and there was a general consensus the treaty was too rough on the Germans anyway.

France probably would have to go it alone, and if a shooting war had started even with their massive superiority in troops and equipment, they couldn't have afforded it with their wounded economy.

Max
Pass the duct tape and super glue. Lena's done broke my heart one last time.
Onward my LOB! Lena (ret.) Vika Vee TOB Caro Alexa Sabs Wicky Lesia Vania BMS Ekat Andi H. Jo-La Lena V KP2 Lil Bit Kiki Mini Mak Baby Veronika
"I read on the internet that there is something chipmunky about me :-)"--Andrea H.[/SIZE]
Jo-La Queen of Norrland and Bastad
Elena Viatcheslavovna Dementieva--Eternal Goddess of the Divine Bangs
miffedmax is offline  
post #80 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 6th, 2012, 03:12 AM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

yeah, nobody wanted the war, even the ordinary Germans. But the Germans followed Hitler to the bitter end..anyway before WWII Hitler was extremely lucky, everything was working for him (EVEN the French generals), his gambles always paid off..in the end, 'the luck simply ran out'

By the by it was the same as the problem of Soviet Union. Churchill was the most vociferous for aiding the Whites, but actually invading it? Domestic economies came first. Hell, biz from US and GBR actually preferred 'normalising' the relation to pursue profit there. Hoover also didn't want to do anything with the Soviet, let alone invading it, during the Civil War.
fantic is offline  
post #81 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 6th, 2012, 03:43 AM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

and what of England? Churchill's position was QUITE precarious, actually. Narvik disaster (repeat of Gallipoli?), a lot still regarded him as quixotic and dangerous, the King & Chamberlain preferred Halifax to be PM, Halifax at first strenuously argued for an 'understanding' with Germany..one would shudder to think if Halifax succeeded Chamberlain as PM

and THAT Churchill was surprisingly generous to Chamberlain and Halifax after becoming PM. Considering the countless snubs he suffered from them before..really, Churchill was the perfect man to head GBR at that time..

US? Isolationist force comprised all ideological spectrum, from the ultra conservatives to socialists..FDR had to be extremely careful to steer the country into intervention..really, it's extremely lucky that GBR and US supreme leaders were not capitulards like FRA..

Last edited by fantic; Jul 6th, 2012 at 04:01 AM.
fantic is offline  
post #82 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 13th, 2012, 07:15 PM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

at last finished Beevor's WWII book, am now sick of WWII for the time being

Japanese cannibalism is said to have been 'a systematic and organized military strategy'



Really, Japanese are something else. Their porno and horror films are notorious too for that matter. They will never be looked upon as a 'leader' of Asians.
fantic is offline  
post #83 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 13th, 2012, 10:20 PM
Senior Member
 
wild.river's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 5,077
                     
Re: WW II thread

rape of nanking...
the japanese definitely got carried away during wwii.
war is usually an evil event, but they took it up an notch.
wild.river is offline  
post #84 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 13th, 2012, 11:08 PM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

they never surrendered either

No wonder U.S. decided to drop an atomic bomb.

The loss of men at Okinawa was horrendous. How many U.S. soldiers would have died if they
invaded the mainland? Japan was even teaching the girls to use bamboo spears by then.

Think about it. In a democratic country, the leaders would be extremely reluctant to risk
so many lives. One of the reason why the U.S. and British favored bombing. (The irony is
the casualty-rate of the bombers was staggering)

Last edited by fantic; Jul 14th, 2012 at 02:38 AM.
fantic is offline  
post #85 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 13th, 2012, 11:36 PM
Senior Member
 
wild.river's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 5,077
                     
Re: WW II thread

yeah, from a purely country level perspective, japan deserved the a-bombs 100%.
but the 6 yr old boy in hiroshima who didn't give a @#$% about imperialism or politics or china never got a chance to grow up.
war = pure evil
it strips away our humanity in every sense.

thank god wwii is the worst war mankind will ever see (until someone butterfingers hits the first nuke button and kills us all...)
wild.river is offline  
post #86 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 14th, 2012, 02:40 AM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by wild.river View Post
yeah, from a purely country level perspective, japan deserved the a-bombs 100%.
but the 6 yr old boy in hiroshima who didn't give a @#$% about imperialism or politics or china never got a chance to grow up.
war = pure evil
it strips away our humanity in every sense.

thank god wwii is the worst war mankind will ever see (until someone butterfingers hits the first nuke button and kills us all...)
damn right, war is evil. And soldiers...probably the most pitiful job ever, to sacrifice your life and kill humans to satisfy the ruling elite's ambition or 'glory'

And yes, we're extremely lucky to live in this relatively peaceful time..
fantic is offline  
post #87 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 14th, 2012, 02:45 AM
Worshipping the bangs
 
miffedmax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Larsson's Player Forum
Posts: 54,589
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantic View Post
they never surrendered either

No wonder U.S. decided to drop an atomic bomb.

The loss of men at Okinawa was horrendous. How many U.S. soldiers would have died if they
invaded the mainland? Japan was even teaching the girls to use bamboo spears by then.

Think about it. In a democratic country, the leaders would be extremely reluctant to risk
so many lives. One of the reason why the U.S. and British favored bombing. (The irony is
the casualty-rate of the bombers was staggering)
My old man was scheduled to hit the beaches with the 5th Marines. They were expecting up to 90% casualties in the first wave to hit the beach.

(His odds were a little better since he was a tanker, but not much).

Max
Pass the duct tape and super glue. Lena's done broke my heart one last time.
Onward my LOB! Lena (ret.) Vika Vee TOB Caro Alexa Sabs Wicky Lesia Vania BMS Ekat Andi H. Jo-La Lena V KP2 Lil Bit Kiki Mini Mak Baby Veronika
"I read on the internet that there is something chipmunky about me :-)"--Andrea H.[/SIZE]
Jo-La Queen of Norrland and Bastad
Elena Viatcheslavovna Dementieva--Eternal Goddess of the Divine Bangs
miffedmax is offline  
post #88 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 14th, 2012, 02:53 AM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by miffedmax View Post
My old man was scheduled to hit the beaches with the 5th Marines. They were expecting up to 90% casualties in the first wave to hit the beach.

(His odds were a little better since he was a tanker, but not much).
Do you owe your birth to Truman then?

Nah, maybe to the Japanese Emperor then

Last edited by fantic; Jul 14th, 2012 at 03:04 AM.
fantic is offline  
post #89 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 19th, 2012, 07:09 PM
Worshipping the bangs
 
miffedmax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Larsson's Player Forum
Posts: 54,589
                     
Re: WW II thread



That such beauty can exist in this world makes me weep with joy.

Max
Pass the duct tape and super glue. Lena's done broke my heart one last time.
Onward my LOB! Lena (ret.) Vika Vee TOB Caro Alexa Sabs Wicky Lesia Vania BMS Ekat Andi H. Jo-La Lena V KP2 Lil Bit Kiki Mini Mak Baby Veronika
"I read on the internet that there is something chipmunky about me :-)"--Andrea H.[/SIZE]
Jo-La Queen of Norrland and Bastad
Elena Viatcheslavovna Dementieva--Eternal Goddess of the Divine Bangs
miffedmax is offline  
post #90 of 504 (permalink) Old Jul 20th, 2012, 06:24 AM
Senior Member
 
Remix13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,082
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by miffedmax View Post


That such beauty can exist in this world makes me weep with joy.
At least the crew in this Crusader is in safety in a museum field, more than on a battlefield

Maria Kirilenko
Remix13 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TennisForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Image Verification
Please enter the six letters or digits that appear in the image opposite.

Registration Image

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome