WW II thread - Page 4 - TennisForum.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #46 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 2012, 06:51 PM
Senior Member
 
wild.river's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 5,080
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Remix13 View Post
Juno Beach is the sector of Courseulles sur Mer, it's about 10 minutes from where my parents live (which is more Sword Beach). There is a museum (well, there are tons of WW2 museums in Normandy) and remains of German bunkers in Courseulles and Graye sur Mer (there is a good spot to fish seabass in front of the bunker, there are no more war boats, but fishing boats now), a Canadian cemetery in not far (in the village of Revier, you can also fish trouts in the river there).


is this sort of what it looks like now?

i've never visited a major battlefield, though i want to see juno beach, ypres, somme, el alamein etc. it must feel really strange walking on that ground.
wild.river is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #47 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 2012, 07:11 PM
Senior Member
 
Remix13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,082
                     
Re: WW II thread

Yes it looks like that now. Except some remains of bunkers and museums , you can't tell there was war there, the see erased everything. There are the big concrete blocks from the Arromanche artificial harbour which are still there though.

If you go in some areas of northern/east France, there are the battlefields of the WW1, and you can still see the trenches and artillery shells holes, it's much more impressive. It looks like that near Verdun:


Maria Kirilenko
Remix13 is offline  
post #48 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 2012, 07:36 PM
Senior Member
 
wild.river's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 5,080
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Remix13 View Post
Yes it looks like that now. Except some remains of bunkers and museums , you can't tell there was war there, the see erased everything. There are the big concrete blocks from the Arromanche artificial harbour which are still there though.

If you go in some areas of northern/east France, there are the battlefields of the WW1, and you can still see the trenches and artillery shells holes, it's much more impressive. It looks like that near Verdun:



is that a deserted historic place now or does it get a lot of tourists?
wild.river is offline  
post #49 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 2012, 07:45 PM
Worshipping the bangs
 
miffedmax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Larsson's Player Forum
Posts: 55,793
                     
Re: WW II thread

Juno was a such a tough battle, and so overlooked--I suspect because it was the Canadian beach. Going right into a built up area made it particularly tough. Despite facing the second heaviest defenses after Omaha, the Canadian 3rd Division made the furthest penetration inland of any Allied unit. Me Mum's cousins* did themselves proud.


(*well, in truth, any cousins of hers would have been distant cousins indeed, since her relatives were actually in the 1st Division which was deployed in Italy).

My dad was in the Pacific.

Max
Pass the duct tape and super glue. Lena's done broke my heart one last time.
Onward my LOB! Lena (ret.) Vika Vee TOB Caro Alexa Sabs Wicky Lesia Vania BMS Ekat Andi H. Jo-La Lena V KP2 Lil Bit Kiki Mini Mak Baby Veronika
V Squad, The LOB Elite: Vika, Venus and the Mad Viking of Norrland
Jo-La Duchess of Norrland and Bastad
Elena Viatcheslavovna Dementieva--Eternal Goddess of the Divine Bangs
miffedmax is online now  
post #50 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Senior Member
 
Remix13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,082
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by wild.river View Post


is that a deserted historic place now or does it get a lot of tourists?
It's not deserted and there are some tourists. As you see the grass is quite clean and the area is preserved.

Maria Kirilenko
Remix13 is offline  
post #51 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 7th, 2012, 09:05 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,080
                     
Re: WW II thread

Russian Army Commander Makarov is pissed off!

He thinks Finland should have no co-operation with NATO whatsoever. Some might remember that USA/NATO missile shield in Poland? Today Russia proposed their version. THEIR SHIELD covers three Baltic countries (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) and Finland...

Here we go again Hope international media picks this. This is nothing but bullying from Russian part. Then again, for some odd reason, our current foreign minister is as red as they come
NoppaNoppa is offline  
post #52 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 20th, 2012, 10:38 PM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

from Wiki page of Arthur Harris;

"Despite protests from Germany as well as some in Britain,[32] the Bomber Harris Trust (an RAF veterans' organisation formed to defend the good name of their commander) erected a statue of him outside the RAF Church of St. Clement Danes, London in 1992. It was unveiled by Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother who looked surprised when she was jeered by protesters, one of whom shouted "Harris was a war criminal". The line on the statue reads "The Nation owes them all an immense debt." The statue had to be kept under 24-hour guard for a period of months as it was often vandalised by protesters and iconoclasts.[33][34][35][36]"

I wonder if there was any attempt of Harris' life?

I'm reading

and I recommend it wholeheartedly for the European campaign of WWII. He examines every aspect and from every point of view too, quite fair imo.

Political professor once told us that Anglo-Saxons are the most brutal, in Harris is a prime example of that I guess (And the Area Bombing wasn't event particularly successful Harris predicted numerous times that bombing would lead them to victory but the ground forces found otherwise )
fantic is offline  
post #53 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 21st, 2012, 12:01 AM
Senior Member
 
Halardfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Japan
Posts: 5,880
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by fantic View Post
from Wiki page of Arthur Harris;

"Despite protests from Germany as well as some in Britain,[32] the Bomber Harris Trust (an RAF veterans' organisation formed to defend the good name of their commander) erected a statue of him outside the RAF Church of St. Clement Danes, London in 1992. It was unveiled by Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother who looked surprised when she was jeered by protesters, one of whom shouted "Harris was a war criminal". The line on the statue reads "The Nation owes them all an immense debt." The statue had to be kept under 24-hour guard for a period of months as it was often vandalised by protesters and iconoclasts.[33][34][35][36]"

I wonder if there was any attempt of Harris' life?

I'm reading

and I recommend it wholeheartedly for the European campaign of WWII. He examines every aspect and from every point of view too, quite fair imo.

Political professor once told us that Anglo-Saxons are the most brutal, in Harris is a prime example of that I guess (And the Area Bombing wasn't event particularly successful Harris predicted numerous times that bombing would lead them to victory but the ground forces found otherwise )
Not convinced that the so called Anglo-Saxons were the most brutal in World War 2...

The reality was that all sides commited dreadful acts, though the weight of blame should fall on those who started the war...I live now in Japan, a country which both commited dreadful acts and ultimately suffered terribly from them. It's an amazing country, and it's surreal to think of all that happened here not so long ago.

Manchester City 2011 FA Cup winners! 2012 Premier League Champions! 2014 League Cup winners and Premier League Champions! At last!!!!!
Halardfan is offline  
post #54 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 21st, 2012, 03:35 AM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

oh, I wasn't talking about WWII, the professor said 'generally' Harris was also called 'butcher' by the way Germans and Russians were of course more brutal, Japanese absolutely, in WWII. By the way unlike Germany, Japan was very stingy in saying sorry to the victims nation; hence, sometimes tense relationships with China and two Koreas.
fantic is offline  
post #55 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 21st, 2012, 04:04 AM
Worshipping the bangs
 
miffedmax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Larsson's Player Forum
Posts: 55,793
                     
Re: WW II thread

On the other hand, the Allied bombing campaign tied up hundreds of thousands of men and countless resources that might have otherwise been deployed against the troops on the ground, and from 1941-43 were really all the Western powers could do to take pressure off the USSR. While the bombing campaign was not a complete success, it was never the complete failure some critics paint it up to be--especially once the RAF and USAAF started to focus on Germany's fuel supplies.

Also, while much is made of the fact German production did actually increase despite the Allied air offensive, there's no doubt that it was affected, though again never as much as the British and Americans thought it would be.

Max
Pass the duct tape and super glue. Lena's done broke my heart one last time.
Onward my LOB! Lena (ret.) Vika Vee TOB Caro Alexa Sabs Wicky Lesia Vania BMS Ekat Andi H. Jo-La Lena V KP2 Lil Bit Kiki Mini Mak Baby Veronika
V Squad, The LOB Elite: Vika, Venus and the Mad Viking of Norrland
Jo-La Duchess of Norrland and Bastad
Elena Viatcheslavovna Dementieva--Eternal Goddess of the Divine Bangs
miffedmax is online now  
post #56 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 21st, 2012, 04:07 AM
Worshipping the bangs
 
miffedmax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Larsson's Player Forum
Posts: 55,793
                     
Re: WW II thread

I'm reading about Operation Totalize.

Superior Canadian technology wins the day--


Max
Pass the duct tape and super glue. Lena's done broke my heart one last time.
Onward my LOB! Lena (ret.) Vika Vee TOB Caro Alexa Sabs Wicky Lesia Vania BMS Ekat Andi H. Jo-La Lena V KP2 Lil Bit Kiki Mini Mak Baby Veronika
V Squad, The LOB Elite: Vika, Venus and the Mad Viking of Norrland
Jo-La Duchess of Norrland and Bastad
Elena Viatcheslavovna Dementieva--Eternal Goddess of the Divine Bangs
miffedmax is online now  
post #57 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 21st, 2012, 07:34 AM
Senior Member
 
Remix13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,082
                     
Re: WW II thread

It looks like some kind of M7 Priest with the gun removed. Mighty Canadians don't need guns to win a battle, guns are for pussies

Maria Kirilenko
Remix13 is offline  
post #58 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 21st, 2012, 08:41 AM Thread Starter
Le Conte's Sparrow
 
fantic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11,255
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by miffedmax View Post
On the other hand, the Allied bombing campaign tied up hundreds of thousands of men and countless resources that might have otherwise been deployed against the troops on the ground, and from 1941-43 were really all the Western powers could do to take pressure off the USSR. While the bombing campaign was not a complete success, it was never the complete failure some critics paint it up to be--especially once the RAF and USAAF started to focus on Germany's fuel supplies.

Also, while much is made of the fact German production did actually increase despite the Allied air offensive, there's no doubt that it was affected, though again never as much as the British and Americans thought it would be.
You're right, just that the concept of 'Area Bombing' didn't achieve much, even militarily. I heard that the Dresden railroad wasn't even that much destroyed after the bombing AND with the horrendous casualties for civilians to boot. No wonder some Germans call it Holocaust..

Well, Churchill did have to show something to assuage Stalin for not opening the 2nd Front early enough.
fantic is offline  
post #59 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 21st, 2012, 02:02 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,072
                     
Re: WW II thread

Do you find it fair that France was among the winners of WWII while we cooperated with Hitler?
I think it is, because we still had the Resistance but not sure though
Mashi is offline  
post #60 of 504 (permalink) Old Jun 21st, 2012, 02:58 PM
Senior Member
 
Remix13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,082
                     
Re: WW II thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mashi View Post
Do you find it fair that France was among the winners of WWII while we cooperated with Hitler?
I think it is, because we still had the Resistance but not sure though
The Resistance had a great role of course but don't forget Free French Forces leaded by De Gaulle who fought in Africa and took part of the liberation of Europe.

Maria Kirilenko
Remix13 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TennisForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome