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"chauvinist" epoque?
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Well, that's another topic for endless armchair general debate. Would the much weaker British have been better off fighting the slightly weaker Germans with Czechoslavakian support then, or were they better off waiting until Sept. of '39? The RAF in particular benefited from the extra time, but the Czech Army had excellent equipment, fortifications and training.

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"chauvinist" epoque?
yes, the book says 'Epoque' was chauvinist.

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Well, that's another topic for endless armchair general debate. Would the much weaker British have been better off fighting the slightly weaker Germans with Czechoslavakian support then, or were they better off waiting until Sept. of '39? The RAF in particular benefited from the extra time, but the Czech Army had excellent equipment, fortifications and training.
You're right, and the German generals themselves said that they were not that ready at that time, 1938.
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Well, that's another topic for endless armchair general debate. Would the much weaker British have been better off fighting the slightly weaker Germans with Czechoslavakian support then, or were they better off waiting until Sept. of '39? The RAF in particular benefited from the extra time, but the Czech Army had excellent equipment, fortifications and training.
Indeed they had some good equipment, for example Skoda tanks LT vz. 35 and LT vz. 38 which could match german early tanks of the war like Panzer II.

Here is a LT vz. 38 used by german army:



There were also quite a lot of fortification in Czechoslovakia at this time:



Red and green lines are fortifications (red are heavy ones and green light ones). Notice that Pilsen holly breweries were only protected by light ones

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Yes, but they had Grandfather Hlavackova to defend them!

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Yes, but they had Grandfather Hlavackova to defend them!
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Yes, but they had Grandfather Hlavackova to defend them!
Also the parents, etc. of 4M (Marti's Mother Melanie Molitor).

And you know why the Suissies never get invaded in European wars?

Because nobody drops a bomb on his own money.
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Also the parents, etc. of 4M (Marti's Mother Melanie Molitor).

And you know why the Suissies never get invaded in European wars?

Because nobody drops a bomb on his own money.
After the invasion of France, Germany had a plan to invade Switzerland (they had plans to invade everybody...), it was called Operation Tannenbaum.

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BBC and The Times suppressed anti Nazi views and reports for fear of 'offending' Germany.

The Time's editor Dawson and Chamberlain were very close.
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After the invasion of France, Germany had a plan to invade Switzerland (they had plans to invade everybody...), it was called Operation Tannenbaum.
from operation tannenbaum's wikipedia page:

Hitler despised the democratically-minded German Swiss as the "wayward branch of the German people"
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Samuel Hoare, then Home Secretary(yes, THAT Hoare whose plan with Laval regarding Ethiopia was exposed when he was Sec. of Foregin Affairs; he was REINSTATED ),
after Munich predicted at the House of Commons

'that if Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Chamberlain, and Daladier were to work in tandem they could banish nightmares of war and burdens of armament and thus in an incredibly short space of time transform the whole history of the world'

thus he envisioned 'a new Golden Age'

from Manchester, p. 391


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"No more coals to Newcastle, no more Hoares to Paris."
--Winston Churchill

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Manchester, p. 395

After Germany's annexation of CZE and Memel in Mar. 1939.

'Later in the year a scrap-iron drive was launched, but an exception had to be made for Lord Baldwin; the wrought-iron gates leading to his estates were needed to control angry men who, only two years before, had cheered his every appearance'

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Manchester p. 396

'at the meeting in Dusseldorf between British and German industrialists, they signed a preliminary agreement, one clause of which permitted GER to spend the foreign exchange resources of the country it had just seized(CZE)-6 mil. pounds, which was held by the Bank of England'

there was of course a hot debate about it at the Parliament, and Chamberlain was evasive; he just thought it as a legitimate biz transaction.
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according to Liddell Hart, military historian and at that time military correspondent of The Times(he resigned after GBR's Polish guarantee),

Halifax believed that Poland was of more military value than Russia.

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