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Falklands/Malvinas dispute rumbling on...

There was a thread on this in the political sub forum...not sure where the best place is for it now...

Anyway the dispute over the Falklands/Malvinas has been warming up in recent months, with the rhetoric being upped on both sides.

Both governments exploit nationalistic feelings at home regarding the issue, knowing it plays well. But all sides have a responsibility not to let this slide into some kind of stupid, wasteful conflict.

South American countries banning Falklands ships from their ports is obviously unhelpful. Prince William going there isn't the best timing, and both sides have been as bad as each other with their traded insults. Sean Penn's snotty contributions don't help either!

Regardless of the merits of the claims to the Islands (for the record I think Argentina's claim is much shakier than you might imagine) I hope both sides can back down.

It's inconceivable that their could be a change of sovereignty anytime soon. It's a persuasive arguement that the Islanders themselves determine their own future. But both sides must make efforts to improve relations with a view to the future.

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I don't even know why Cameron brought all this? We wouldn't be discussing this had he kept his mouth shut.

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Just keep the damned islands and leave that people alone. This is just a ridiculous attempt by the argentinian government to deprive attention from other important issues going on right now (like both senators and representatives increasing their wages by a 100% just a few days ago, as a product of an inflation the government itself denies by manipulating economic indexes).

And all the fuss about claims being done to the UN? Bitch please, the UN is as fake as Caroline's #1 ranking spot.
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I don't even know why Cameron brought all this? We wouldn't be discussing this had he kept his mouth shut.
Well the banning of Falklands ships didn't help the cause of peace, but in truth both sides for their own domestic reasons are exploiting the issue. Certainly it helps both leaders to appear strong and robust on this issue.

But it's a dangerous game both are playing, and all sides would do well to back away a little, and consider the grim events that happened in the 80's.

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But what happens to the Falklands/Malvinas population who overwhelmingly want to remain attached to Britain? Many have been there for generations and are by far the longest standing residents the Islands have ever had. Surely it is their rights which should supersede Britain's or Argentina's?

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But what happens to the Falklands/Malvinas population who overwhelmingly want to remain attached to Britain? Many have been there for generations and are by far the longest standing residents the Islands have ever had. Surely it is their rights which should supersede Britain's or Argentina's?

its 2012 and this world is shit, all it matters its power and resources, so nothing happens to them.

its like if all Mexicans in USA or all Turkish in Germany, that have also been there for generations and continue to grow with high birth rates, wanted to make their voice listened and want to became to go back to being a part to México or become a part of Turkey.

What gave substantial reasons to the Brits to think that the Mavinas territory belongs to them is beyond me, and don´t come with the "we have the habitants interests in mind" BS because pure BS is what it is and we all know it. they want it because they want power and nothing else.

now why are the Argetininians soo passionately into this matter, its also beyond me, (though I can understand a kind of symbolism about it) what do you want in a territory, who´s habitants want nothing to do with you and who´s, afaik, little unexplored resources are of no important use?

having said that fuck colonialism, Malvinas Argentinas!

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its like if all Mexicans in USA or all Turkish in Germany, that have also been there for generations and continue to grow with high birth rates, wanted to make their voice listened and want to became to go back to being a part to México or become a part of Turkey.

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Kosovo anyone?
Kosovo had the help of the world´s greatest powers, Mexicans will be "fighting" the worlds biggest supwerpower one and Turkish agaist Europe´s.

double standars anyone?

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its 2012 and this world is shit, all it matters its power and resources, so nothing happens to them.

its like if all Mexicans in USA or all Turkish in Germany, that have also been there for generations and continue to grow with high birth rates, wanted to make their voice listened and want to became to go back to being a part to México or become a part of Turkey.

What gave substantial reasons to the Brits to think that the Mavinas territory belongs to them is beyond me, and don´t come with the "we have the habitants interests in mind" BS because pure BS is what it is and we all know it. they want it because they want power and nothing else.

now why are the Argetininians soo passionately into this matter, its also beyond me, (though I can understand a kind of symbolism about it) what do you want in a territory, who´s habitants want nothing to do with you and who´s, afaik, little unexplored resources are of no important use?

having said that fuck colonialism, Malvinas Argentinas!
All the talk of colonialism is itself a double standard given the colonial history of Argentina itself! Much of Argentina's population is just as European in origin as the Falklanders!

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All the talk of colonialism is itself a double standard given the colonial history of Argentina itself! Much of Argentina's population is just as European in origin as the Falklanders!
so they can´t have a say about it because many of them happen to have European origins? did they choose to be a colonized country?
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so they can´t have a say about it because many of them happen to have European origins? did they choose to be a colonized country?
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The main people who should have a say are the Islanders themselves.

What I'm saying is, some Argentines are saying its all about British colonialism, that the Islanders are mere British implants, and not native to the area. Which I was pointing out you could apply to the Argentine's themselves!

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The main people who should have a say are the Islanders themselves.

What I'm saying is, some Argentines are saying its all about British colonialism, that the Islanders are mere British implants, and not native to the area. Which I was pointing out you could apply to the Argentine's themselves!
This, and especially with Argentina given that the large majority is from European descent.

And I completely agree that it should go back to the Islanders. They are the ones living in the Falklands, and far as I know, there were no episodes of ethnic cleansing or any of that sort.
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This, and especially with Argentina given that the large majority is from European descent.

And I completely agree that it should go back to the Islanders. They are the ones living in the Falklands, and far as I know, there were no episodes of ethnic cleansing or any of that sort.
Generally I agree, there was certainly no population you could describe as indigenous before the various empires started fighting over it. After that it's a confusing mess, with the Islands being colonised, entirely abandoned, traded, etc...such is the grim way with competitive Empires...

When the dust settled the British had prevailed and thus since their ancestors have remained for generations.

As such, I think their claim has to be the strongest.

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i don't think the argument that the islanders themselves should decide is as strong as it looks to some. there were earlier attempts to settle the islands and people were not attached to them much for the most part of their history (not to mention that we're dealing with a very small population which can hardly be self-sufficient and i mean that in a very basic sense). the islands were uninhabited previously, but they were claimed by different states before. you can't just settle an uninhabited territory and years later claim that settlers who live there have the right to decide who can claim that territory. if that were the case much of australia or canada or indeed the falkand islands would be up for grabs. the british empire was not created with interests of local populations or states in mind and this was not different.

the situaion remains complicated in my opinion and needs a compromise solution. the one that would satisfy both the islanders and argentina.
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