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Myra Hindley - evil acts, but essentially a victim herself?

Myra Hindley, the child killer from the 1960s, died today in a prison hospital aged 60. She spent 35 years in prison, for being found guilty of two murders and as an accessory to a third murder. She was sentenced to "life" in 1966, though life doesn't mean natural life in UK law. The judge stressed in 1966 that although evil, he expected Hindley to reform once removed from the influence of her accomplice, Ian Brady, and therefore she should serve less time than him (he actually did the killings, she helped abduct the children).

In the 1980s, she was told by the Home Secretary that she would have to serve a minimum of 25 years behind bars. Brady was told he's never be released. Then, in 1990, nearing the time when she'd be eligible for parole, the new Home Secretary extended her mandatory sentence to 30 years. Then, in 1994, the new home secretary extended it to 35 years. In around 1997, it was extended once more to say that she should never be released from prison.

There's no defending her crimes. They were sickening and appalling. But what does it say about justice when somebody's sentence can be extended retrospectively. it's not as though the crimes changed. There has been immense political pressure on home secretaries to not release her. Hence the extensions.

Where do you stand? Myra Hindley should have been released after 25 years, or Myra Hindley's sentence (and other prison sentences) can be extended as and when, depending on political sensitivity?

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If i was in power, i would bring back the death sentence and put her forward for it

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She should rot in hell. I saw a programme a few years ago, where they played audio tapes Myra and her boyfriend made while abusing one of the girls, and you could hear the girl crying for her mother. it was so upsetting and i had to turn it off. also, she refused to let one of her victims' mother know where her son was buried, so that the woman could bury him properly. she deserve to rot.


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That is horrible

They should have let me torture her, evil witch
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i think the "refused to tell where the other body is" is false. she went back to the moors to try to locate it. she wasn't standing there watching brady bury the body, she was by the roadside, some 200m away, around a bend, keeping watch. she possibly never knew exactly where the body was buried, and after 30 years, you probably wouldn't recognise the landscape anyway. also, peat moves, so even if you pinpoint the grave, it may have shifted a lot, and been exposed. there may be little left anyway.

sorry to be morbid, but i don't think it's valid to say that she refused to let one of her victims' mother know where her son was buried.

she had nothing to gain by not revealing the information if she knew it.

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well, i am only going by what i saw on the news tonight, and the boys mother was talking in a telephone interview saying she still didn't know where he was and could not give him a proper burial. whether she tried to help or not, i dont see any reasons anyone would have for defending her.


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She has no defence, she was scum, no-one could defend her, she was evil and deserved to die in more pain than she did
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i think it's less about defending her in a personal sense, and more about defending justice. if you're given a sentence, why should it be extended almost 30 years later when you're due for release? and to have it extended twice?

this thread is not about whether hindley is eveil or not, it's about whether she became a political prisoner i.e. one that cannot be released for political reasons.

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Life should mean life, although saying that, if she was released, she wouldn't have a life for long
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I've been reading about this case today.
I read that the mother of the little girl had to listen to those tapes to identify her daughter. I can't believe they actually played those tapes on TV

Certain crimes are just so awful that a life sentence really must mean a life sentence.

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yes, tine, but the trial judge in 1966, and the jury, were satisfied that she must spend "a long period of time in prison", and it was not controversial when her original tariff was set at 25 years.

what's questionable is the arbitrary decision by a politican 23 years later to extend that sentence to, first, 30 years, and then after 29 years, to life imprisonment.

whether you think she should have got life in the first place (I do) and whether you think her crimes are appallingly bad (I do), is not the point. The question is not - do you think Myra Hindley is evil and should have received a life sentence? The question asks you to consider whether she was made a political prisoner, and the extentions could not be justified on legal grounds.

please reconsider before acting like a tabloid reader

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they didn' t play the tapes on TV. that is rubbish.

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they didn' t play the tapes on TV. that is rubbish.
Then how did Raquel hear them?
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Yes it is justified. I believe all prisoners should have there sentences checked every 5 years or so

As for being a political prisoner? Who cares
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The judge stressed in 1966 that although evil, he expected Hindley to reform once removed from the influence of her accomplice, Ian Brady, and therefore she should serve less time than him (he actually did the killings, she helped abduct the children).
From what I've read, she did more than just help. The judge sentenced her to life (=25 years) based on the conviction that she'd reform. Had she truly reformed? What if can be proven that she was still a danger to society and therefore shouldn't be released?

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