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History's Greatest Capital City?

For all you history folks out there, what do you think is history's greatest capital city? Use whatever criteria you'd like, but defend your choice.

A lot of people have championed Rome.
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I have many but my personal favourite would be Pataliputra, capital of successive dynasties of Indian rulers from Nandas, Mauryans, Sungas to Guptas. It's amazing that a city is successively chosen as a capital for almost a thousand years by different rulers. It attracted philosophers and intellectuals of the time. I love the name. It sounds epic. The first couple of Buddhist councils of held there.
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I don't know if you'd call Athen's 'great' in the obvious meaning of the word, but it was definitely great as far as revolutionising society. It was democratic, fairly peaceful, stunning architecture...blood sports
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I don't know if you'd call Athen's 'great' in the obvious meaning of the word, but it was definitely great as far as revolutionising society. It was democratic, fairly peaceful, stunning architecture...blood sports
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does it have to be a capital today?

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Athens' golden age stands as something unprecedented and mighty impressive intellectually , artistically and perhaps politically. It wasn't even that long (less than a century I think), but I can't think of anything else that stands so anachronistically from its surroundings and changed the world forever after. And yet so much was lost.
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I am biased of course but nothing can be compared with Athens during its glory days (only Rome maybe). This was the city where the foundations for all sciences were set ( philosophy , politics ,mathematics ,physics) and Democracy was invented. It was also artistically magnificent. To prove my point

"The period from the end of the Persian Wars to the Macedonian conquest marked the zenith of Athens as a center of literature, philosophy (Greek philosophy) and the arts (Greek theatre). In Athens at this time, the political satire of the Comic poets at the theatres had a remarkable influence on public opinion.[15] Some of the most important figures of Western cultural and intellectual history lived in Athens during this period: the dramatists Aeschylus, Aristophanes, Euripides and Sophocles, the philosophers Aristotle, Plato and Socrates, the historians Herodotus, Thucydides and Xenophon, the poet Simonides and the sculptor Phidias, The leading statesman of this period was Pericles, who used the tribute paid by the members of the Delian League to build the Parthenon and other great monuments of classical Athens. The city became, in Pericles's words, "the school of Hellas [Greece]
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I am biased of course but nothing can be compared with Athens during its glory days (only Rome maybe). This was the city where the foundations for all sciences were set ( philosophy , politics ,mathematics ,physics) and Democracy was invented. It was also artistically magnificent. To prove my point

"The period from the end of the Persian Wars to the Macedonian conquest marked the zenith of Athens as a center of literature, philosophy (Greek philosophy) and the arts (Greek theatre). In Athens at this time, the political satire of the Comic poets at the theatres had a remarkable influence on public opinion.[15] Some of the most important figures of Western cultural and intellectual history lived in Athens during this period: the dramatists Aeschylus, Aristophanes, Euripides and Sophocles, the philosophers Aristotle, Plato and Socrates, the historians Herodotus, Thucydides and Xenophon, the poet Simonides and the sculptor Phidias, The leading statesman of this period was Pericles, who used the tribute paid by the members of the Delian League to build the Parthenon and other great monuments of classical Athens. The city became, in Pericles's words, "the school of Hellas [Greece]
This much overrated Athens always gets whitewashed by history. Athens was deeply hated by most of the other Hellenic city-states, Sparta in particular, who were forced to keep Athenian ambitious schemes under control. In reality, the much ballyhooed 'democratic' Athens(95% of it's population were slaves, BTW) was an imperialist warmongering capital of an empire of exploited/servile states that were bleed-white in order to finance it's foolish wars. History shows democratic states are always the most warlike. Thucydides pointed out that Athens was a democracy in-name-only and was in reality a monarchy with Pericles as it's 'king'. Even their great philosophers Sokrates and Plato were secret admirers of Sparta, and saw Athenian democracy as a disaster-in-the-making. I'm glad Sparta put Athens out of business, as their fecklessness and provocations would have invariably triggered another Persian invasion, which might have succeeded this time, thus stranging The West at it's inception.

And at the time, the Persian Empire was much more wealthy than the Greeks who were poor and regarded as part of the ancient Third World (the Persians called them: 'The disheveled ones'). And venerable Egypt was still seen as the repositoty of spiritual/religious traditions and as the cultural leader of the known World.

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This much overrated Athens always gets whitewashed by history. Athens was deeply hated by most of the other Hellenic city-states, Sparta in particular, who were forced to keep Athenian ambitious schemes under control. In reality, the much ballyhooed 'democratic' Athens(95% of it's population were slaves, BTW) was an imperialist warmongering capital of an empire of exploited/servile states that were bleed-white in order to finance it's foolish wars. History shows democratic states are always the most warlike. Thucydides pointed out that Athens was a democracy in-name-only and was in reality a monarchy with Pericles as it's 'king'. Even their great philosophers Sokrates and Plato were secret admirers of Sparta, and saw Athenian democracy as a disaster-in-the-making. I'm glad Sparta put Athens out of business, as their fecklessness and provocations would have invariably triggered another Persian invasion, which might have succeeded this time, thus stranging The West at it's inception.

And at the time, the Persian Empire was much more wealthy than the Greeks who were poor and regarded as part of the ancient Third World (the Persians called them: 'The disheveled ones'). And venerable Egypt was still seen as the repositoty of spiritual/religious traditions and as the cultural leader of the known World.
Fabulous. I did not know all of this.
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This much overrated Athens always gets whitewashed by history. Athens was deeply hated by most of the other Hellenic city-states, Sparta in particular, who were forced to keep Athenian ambitious schemes under control. In reality, the much ballyhooed 'democratic' Athens(95% of it's population were slaves, BTW) was an imperialist warmongering capital of an empire of exploited/servile states that were bleed-white in order to finance it's foolish wars. History shows democratic states are always the most warlike. Thucydides pointed out that Athens was a democracy in-name-only and was in reality a monarchy with Pericles as it's 'king'. Even their great philosophers Sokrates and Plato were secret admirers of Sparta, and saw Athenian democracy as a disaster-in-the-making. I'm glad Sparta put Athens out of business, as their fecklessness and provocations would have invariably triggered another Persian invasion, which might have succeeded this time, thus stranging The West at it's inception.

And at the time, the Persian Empire was much more wealthy than the Greeks who were poor and regarded as part of the ancient Third World (the Persians called them: 'The disheveled ones'). And venerable Egypt was still seen as the repositoty of spiritual/religious traditions and as the cultural leader of the known World.
All I see written is bla bla bla Athens was hated... So? Every great empire/country was hated by its neighbouring countries . Still I haven't seen anywhere in your hateful post an argument contradicting me about why Athens wasn't the greatest capital in history. You keep talking about how the Persians were much wealthier , so? Athens was the greatest city , not because of its wealth, but because during its golden period the foundations for all sciences were set there (Politics,philosophy,physics you name it).

Also Greek theater and architecture of that era is of incomparable beauty. Apart from the Acropolis, you should know that 5 of the 7 wonders of the ancient world were in Greece or built during the hellenistic era.

It's obvious , though how little you know about history, accusing Athens about the imperialistic policy and praising Sparta that took them out of business, when you obviously are ignorant that Sparta's allies Thebes and Corinth soon turned against her due to her imperialistic policy and joined Athens to form the Second Athenian League. So, next time you better think before writing nonsense
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