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Saudi Finally Joins 20th Century. Grant Women Some Rights; NEXT, 21st Century?

As I said before, no society has ever been ready to grant rights to a disenfranchised portion of its society.
Because no one has ever relinquished social advantages, deserved or undeserved, willingly.


It is pressure form within and outside that make authority in power move.
It was the case for countless societies such as South Africa, USA just to name a few.


Rulers can hide behind the mantra of social stability, tradition, or national uniqueness for only a limited time.
Soon or later, they will feel the pressure or the shame/embarrassment when looking around them.

Of course, they can always find a few members of the disenfranchised willing to go on camera to say there is nothing wrong with their society, or their group is not ready to handle such "responsibility as freedom and making one's own decision", but that can't stop the tide.


I know there are a number of posters here who have taken and advocated this position in a few threads, I'd like to hear from them and others what they think now.


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Saudi Arabia bows to pressure to reform and grants women the vote



The world’s last bastion against female suffrage bowed to the forces of change when Saudi Arabia granted its female population the right to vote for the first time.




The historic decision came after King Abdullah, the Saudi ruler, conceded that a study of Muslim history had shown that women were capable of rational thinking and decision making.

“Muslim women in our Islamic history have demonstrated positions that expressed correct opinions and advice,” he told advisers.




Even in the Middle East, where women’s rights have lagged behind much of the rest of the world, Saudi Arabia has stood out as a reactionary citadel against the march of feminism.

Women have been denied the most basic of freedoms, forbidden from driving or leaving the country without the permission of a male guardian.

King Abdullah’s ruling appeared to show that even Saudi Arabia was not immune to the climate of greater openness and freedom being swept across the Middle East in the wake of the Arab Spring.





Although the kingdom has escaped the populist demonstrations that have erupted elsewhere in the region, the king has come under pressure to make limited reforms if only to save his monarchy.



The announcement will not necessarily give women a powerful voice in the country. Saudi Arabia holds no elections beyond municipal level, with power almost exclusively restricted to the confines of the royal family.



But the decision to allow women both to vote in and contest municipal elections is an unprecedented gesture towards equality in Saudi Arabia.



In what could prove an even more significant step, the king also announced that women would be allowed to serve in the Shura Council, whose role is purely advisory but which nonetheless constitutes the most influential political body in the country outside the royal family. Until now, women had only been given a symbolic presence on the council.

“Because we refuse to marginalise women in society in all roles that comply with Sharia, we have decided, after deliberation with our senior clerics and others, to involve women in the Shura Council as members starting from next term,” the king told the body.


“Women will be able to run as candidates to the municipal election and will even have a right to vote.”
The ageing king, rumours of whose period poor health have sparked concerns about the kingdom’s future, has been seen as a cautious reformer. His decision, which has been debated within the political elite for some months, could cause a backlash from within the traditionally hidebound religious establishment.



Seeing themselves as the custodians of the Islam’s holiest places -- Mecca and Medina -- the House of Saud has always been forced to rely on the goodwill of clerics from the puritanical Wahhabi strain of Islam to ensure its legitimacy.



Female activists in Saudi Arabia hailed the decision and vowed to step up their campaign to extend women’s rights in the kingdom.
“This is great news,” Waheja al-Huwaider, a Saudi writer and activist, said. “Women’s voices will finally be heard.



“Now it is time to remove other barriers like not allowing women to drive cars.”
Inspired by the Arab Spring, a number of women defied the driving ban by taking to the wheels of their husbands’ cars earlier this year, but the protest fizzled after a number of them were arrested.










Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-the-vote.html

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How are they supposed to get to the polls If they can’t drive..?

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How are they supposed to get to the polls If they can’t drive..?
A non resentful male family member who agrees with the new policy will drive them or the women organizations will provide buses, hopefully.
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What a ridiculous title

One step in the right direction, hopefully driving is next

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One step in the right direction, hopefully driving is next
I am not surprised you found the title ridiculous, I have read your other posts, and you are an advocate of "it will come when the society is not ready" approach.


But I do agree with you it is a step in the right direction.
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I am not surprised you found the title ridiculous, I have read your other posts, and you are an advocate of "it will come when the society is not ready" approach.


But I do agree with you it is a step in the right direction.
The title sounds disrespectful, that's all.

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disrespectful ? uhmmm, more like accurate.

you want to know what is really disrespectful ? How about, how women and gays are treated in Saudi Arabia ?
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King keeps 50% of vote. (=100% of rule)
Joke. King still has 100 persent.
Women still have zero.

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The title sounds disrespectful, that's all.

Fuck the what? Not letting women vote is disrespectful; this is just plain old true. Saudi Arabia is a joke, and saying they just entered the 20th century is both funny and accurate.
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disrespectful ? uhmmm, more like accurate.

you want to know what is really disrespectful ? How about, how women and gays are treated in Saudi Arabia ?
Do you live there? do you know exactly how women are treated?
It's not as bad as you think.
As for gays, no one comes out and it's out of the question right now in many Muslim countries.

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Start of womens rigts in Saudi Aradia !!!
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Right given equals zero. King has VETO.
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There is no parliament in Saudi Arabia.
Vote that women got is of no importance. King rules that as well.
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disrespectful ? uhmmm, more like accurate.

you want to know what is really disrespectful ? How about, how women and gays are treated in Saudi Arabia ?
Exactly.

And to comment on the topic, it was about fucking time.
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