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Cool SINGING and songwriting legend Joni Mitchell can't stand Madonna.

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JONI MITCHELL'S SOUR-NOTE RANT

SINGING and songwriting legend Joni Mitchell can't stand Madonna.
"Madonna has knocked the importance of talent out of the arena," Mitchell tells W magazine.

"She's manufactured. She's made a lot of money and become the biggest star in the world by hiring the right people."

Sadly for fight fans, the feeling is not mutual.

"Wow," said Madonna's rep, Liz Rosenberg. "What can I say? Madonna has always been a huge fan of Joni Mitchell's. I don't know what to say. I'm sorry she feels that way. Madonna speaks frequently about her admiration and worship of Joni's talent. Wow. The feeling isn't mutual."

Madonna isn't Mitchell's only target in the bombshell interview. The "Parking Lot" singer also doesn't care much for David Letterman.

"Letterman treats musicians like the armpit of the [entertainment] industry. He tags you on at the end [of his television show], never talks to you - while he talks to the dimmest actress."

A rep for Letterman would say only: "The feeling isn't mutual."

As for everyone else, Mitchell - who claims she is leaving the music industry forever because the "business is repugnant to me" - had this to say:

* "David [Geffen] is almost like my mother . . . David seems to have an inability to see me fresh. I'm fond of David. Though I don't know why . . . It's a strong combative relationship. He was money motivated, I was art motivated. He took advantage, but he took advantage of everybody - that's the nature of the business."

* Regarding contemporary artists: "As long as they look good, they can pitch-correct them now - they can interior-decorate their music. The artists don't have to play anything - they can cheat, buy songs and put their name on them, so they can build the illusion that they are creative."

* On the music business: "[It is] the most corrupt one of all. They try not to pay you whenever possible. Part of me wants to spill the beans, but it doesn't seem to be effective . . . They're not looking for talent. They're looking for a look and a willingness to cooperate. And a woman my age, no matter how well-preserved, no longer has the look. And I have never had a willingness to cooperate."

* Regarding her 1995 reunion with her daughter Kilauren Gibb, whom she had put for adoption over 30 years ago: "I have a wonderful relationship with my daughter and my grandchildren. [After the reunion], for a year or two, it was difficult. Now we're hummin' . . . We don't have the scar tissue that's frequently built up between mother and daughter."

* On Hollywood: "There is nothing duller to me than a room full of stars. There is too much effort, straining, and they're all exhibitionists. I need a climate of affection. You're not going to find a pocket of affection in a room full of stars."
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Joni is a bit of a sour old witch at times but some of her music is pure class. She's made some of the all time greatest albums. I don't agree with her on all those points but do agree with what she says about Madonna.
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Hey what's wrong with old dave

How do i get?
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i have no experience of the music industry, but i would rely on joni to have a fair-minded opinion, and has more experience than most.

i disagree with her about madonna. i think madonna's boldness paved the way for more female artists to be taken seriously by the music industry and to have more control over her own destiny. the problem is, the music industry was also changing towards image rather than substance, so madonna was part of that process too.

i've never seen letterman, but i imagine she's right. the chat shows in britain are increasingly full of celeb-lites such as david beckham, posh spice etc. to have a less famous artist, poet or thinker on may tune the tv couch potato, celebrity-worshipping viewer off.

sad times.

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Give it a rest already! Quite bitching about the music industry and "threatening" to leave it...if it's so repugnant, just leave already! Would anyone even notice?

Sounds to me like she's just turned into a bitter old woman, and that she's upset that Madonna can put out one album and accumulate more sales than poor Joni's had in her entire career. Glad to hear that Madonna, through her representatives, took the high road and refused to retaliate.

Don't get me wrong, she has some valid points (particularly about the records companies' treatment of musicians, and the lack of talent in many contemporary artists), but her approach makes it just look like sour grapes.
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u haven't seen the letterman show?

However, i kind of understand her. He always have 1-2 guests which he talk too and then there is a musician that sing in the end of the show and mostly he never interview them at all.

I watch one show just because of Pink, and she sang her song and didn't say a word after that. *yawn*

How do i get?
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Most shows don't talk to the musical guest. She could have said that about Leno or O'Brien as well. She picked on Dave for God-knows-what-reason.

Anyway, she's an icon but she seems a bit out of touch with those comments.

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And, by the way, it's not true in all cases...when Tori Amos was on, Dave chatted her up after her performance.

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As has been stated already, Joni is a music icon. Her views on the music industry are worth noticing.
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what a bitter old prune who needs a good lay
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Joni's a grumpy old hag, but everything she says is pretty much spot on. About Madonna, you can either see her as part of the problem or as a rare instance where a pop artist has risen above it. Madonna is incredibly talented - just not at music. She's a businesswoman who gets good writers and producers in.
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Artists like this just kill me, because they talk about other artist for being such a public image, then why the hell did she allow Janet Jackson to sample some of her music and use some lyrics. Plz, do u honestly think that she didnt get money for this. And, oh GASP, these are the same fans that listen to Madonna. Plz Joni, if u are going to critize and be such an "artist" then use your own advice.

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timmbo...there's a difference between making music for the sake of the music which happens to make you money, and making 'music' for the sake of the money.
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I agree Sartrista7 so I changed my post to fit what I was really trying to say.

Im sexy, im cute, im popular to boot, im bitching, great hair, all the boyz like to stare, im full of spirt and more, I swear im not a whore, im a cheerleader, yeah, yeah, a cheerleader, yeah, yeah!!!!
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