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By DUSAN STOJANOVIC, Associated Press Dusan Stojanovic, Associated Press – 5 mins ago

BELGRADE, Serbia – Gen. Ratko Mladic, Europe's most wanted war crimes suspect, has been arrested in Serbia after years in hiding, the country's president said Thursday.

Serbia has been under intense pressure from the international community to catch the fugitive. Mladic has been on the run since 1995 when he was indicted by the U.N. war crimes tribunal for genocide in the slaughter of some 8,000 Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica and other crimes committed by his troops during Bosnia's 1992-95 war.

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Very creative alias he created for himself. No wonder he was able to escape arrest for 16 years with a name like that.

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wtf is this comment supossed to mean?
You think he could have remained free there for 16 years without help from influentials, any more than bin Laden could have for several years in Pakistan? BTW, I am not blaming all Serbs, as many are sweet ppl (like our own "Ste Joana of Beograd").
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yes I know but wheter you were trying to be funny, sarcastic or whatever, I think that comment was way out of place.

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The former general is in frail health and has difficulty remembering anything which happened more than a year ago.
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16 years of impunity
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you're being very stupid right there for putting a tennis player who represents the new serbia and this idiot in the same sentence

anyway, he wasn't in hiding since 1995, he went to hiding after the fall of the milosevic regime. it is very unlikely that the most influential people from the new ruling elite protected him, it was more survivors from the dark years. let's not forget that the situation in serbia was so unstable that even the prime minister was killed a few years after the fall of the dictatorship. the old regime certainly did help both karadzic and mladic get new identities. and let's remember how karadzic was arrested. he wasn't even in hiding, the new identity protected him well enough. and unlike in case of bin laden and pakistan it was serbia that arrested both of them.
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It's so sad (if i can use this mild word) that so many Serbians still support him when there are so MANY video proofs about his unhuman cruelty

i asked myself when i would pick up a gun and kill someone ... if i had to defend my life or maybe act of revenge if there was cruelty done to someone i love! But to go and kill innocent civilians ... is there a word for that? It's not even act of patriotism but pure enjoyment in killing helpless person(s)! There is no punishment worth for such an act!

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You think he could have remained free there for 16 years without help from influentials, any more than bin Laden could have for several years in Pakistan? BTW, I am not blaming all Serbs, as many are sweet ppl (like our own "Ste Joana of Beograd").
This could explain why

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Poll Shows Majority in Serbia Oppose Mladic Arrest


Survey also shows most people in the country regard tribunal as illegal, anti-Serb institution.

By IWPR ICTY- International Justice - ICTY
14 Dec 09

Sixty-four per cent of Serbia’s citizens oppose the arrest of indicted former Bosnian Serb military leader Ratko Mladic, an opinion poll showed this week.
The poll was commissioned by the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe, OSCE, mission in Serbia and the Belgrade Human Rights Centre and was carried out by Ipsos Strategic Puls agency between April and June this year. A total of 1,400 people took part in the survey.

The poll showed only 25 per cent of those questioned supported Mladic’s arrest, while 11 per cent had no opinion.

Mladic, who has been charged with genocide and other crimes committed during the Bosnian war of 1992-95, is on the run from the Hague tribunal. The tribunal prosecutor’s office has long said that he is hiding in Serbia and accused the Belgrade authorities of failing to arrest him.

However, the tribunal’s chief prosecutor, Serge Brammertz, recently changed his view and said he was convinced “Serbia is doing all it can” to apprehend two remaining suspects, Mladic and Goran Hadzic, a former Croatian Serb leader.


The poll also showed that more than 70 per cent of respondents had a negative attitude towards the tribunal, seeing it as an “illegal” and “anti-Serb” institution. Only 14 per cent supported its work, while 15 per cent had no opinion.

Svetlana Logar of Ipsos Strategic Puls described the data that her agency gathered as “extremely worrying”, because it showed that a great majority of Serbia’s citizens do not support the Belgrade authorities' efforts to apprehend Mladic and hand him over to the Hague tribunal. Sixty-four per cent of those interviewed opposed his arrest.

“Asked if they knew which crimes Mladic was charged with, around 30 per cent of people surveyed could not come up with a single crime. Fifty-six per cent said Mladic was not responsible for any of the crimes he was charged with,” she said.

“It is particularly alarming that the vast majority of Serbia’s citizens are convinced that the tribunal is an anti-Serb, unfair and biased court.”
The Belgrade authorities believe the findings contain a serious warning. Dusan Ignjatovic, of the Serbian government’s office for cooperation with the Hague tribunal, said, “It seems to me that someone should urgently start a simple project that should be dubbed ‘Transitional Justice for Dummies’.

“The government should explain to its citizens in very simple language every step it’s been taking in order to meet the tribunal’s demands and apprehend Mladic and Hadzic. It’s time for people in Serbia to face up the reality – those responsible for war crimes must face justice.”

Observers in Serbia say the results of the poll are not surprising, considering the general atmosphere of impunity there and the fact that war crimes suspects are still seen as heroes by many of Serbia’s citizens.

Vojin Dimitrijevic, from the Belgrade Centre for Human Rights, said the media were partly responsible for this distorted view and cited the case of former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic, who is on trial for genocide at the Hague tribunal.

“When Radovan Karadzic was arrested in Belgrade, there was very little information in the Serbian media about the reasons for his arrest. They mainly focused on bizarre details of Karadzic’s arrest and his new identity as a practitioner of alternative medicine,” he said.

Karadzic was arrested in Belgrade in July last year. The latest poll showed that 62 per cent of the people in Serbia opposed his extradition to The Hague and 55 per cent believed he was not guilty of any of the charges against him.

A legal adviser on war crimes with the OSCE mission in Serbia, Ivan Jovanovic, said Belgrade could do a lot to change the way people in Serbia perceive the Hague tribunal and war crimes indictees.

“Only when state authorities begin to assume their responsibility and acknowledge that war crimes took place will ordinary people start accepting that as a reality as well,” he said.
Iva Martinovic is an RFE reporter and IWPR contributor in Belgrade.


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I was at the Hague a few weeks ago, a Serbian dude was on trial. I can't remember his name, but the dude was facing some serious charges. We talked to one of the prosecutor. He'd been on trial for more than a year. The lady said some people, capture is easy, this guyy was busted on a bus. Others go down with a huge fight and people die.

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the lack of credibility of the icty in the serbian public (which shouldn't be confused with awareness that war crimes did happen, plenty of people would support trial of mladic in a serbian court) is at least partly shaped by the way serbian victims of the war are treated both by that court and by serbia's war-time enemies. nato is of course beyond impunity as always. it didn't turn out to be the case with croatia however. croatia's generals have recently been sentenced for the expulsion of 150,000 serbs from croatia during the operation "storm" back in 1995. the day when this happened is a public holiday in croatia and the generals who took part in it are considered national heroes not by some fringe groups but by state institutions, schools etc. something similar can be said about some things that happened in bosnia and kosovo. current serbian president (who is largely to be credited for this arrest) has pointed out a few times in the international press that this is a huge problem. it lends greater credibility to political groups who claim that there are double standards in the way various sides from the wars in former yugoslavia are treated.

of course you could always argue that it is irrelevant and that everyone should just clean up their own backyard, not to mention that serbia can demand from others to own up only after all serbian war criminals are arrested, but i think people should have some understanding of the situation. contrary to what people claim i'm pretty sure everyone and anyone can get into a situation where they would do things they consider unthinkable. one of the wisest things ever said was that people never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a mistaken conviction. understanding how people get into such situations is the only way to avoid them.
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