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Lance Armstrong: are there any believers yet at this point?

I always thought he doped, but this has dragged on for so long that at this point I really don't care about it anymore, it's become more of a personal issue for the Feds...it's been almost a decade since his last Tour de France win and nothing much will change in case he is found guilty, it's amazing how fast idols become irrelevant... is there anyone who still believes he's never doped?

CBS News) "60 Minutes" has learned that at least three of Lance Armstrong's former teammates - including one of his closest, George Hincapie - have told federal authorities they used banned substances and saw Armstrong use them as well.


The Scott Pelley team's investigation into Armstrong and the use of banned substances in pro cycling will be broadcast on "60 Minutes" this Sunday at 7 p.m. ET/PT.


Hincapie testified that he and Armstrong supplied each other with the endurance-boosting substance EPO and discussed having used another banned substance, testosterone, to prepare for races, "60 Minutes" has learned. Through his lawyer, Hincapie declined to be interviewed, citing the ongoing investigation.


Armstrong has steadfastly denied ever using banned substances.


Hincapie was a member of Armstrong's U.S. Postal Service-sponsored cycling team.


Another former member, Tyler Hamilton, has given "60 Minutes" an interview for Sunday's report in which he says he used EPO and saw Armstrong inject it, too, in preparation for races Armstrong won, including the sport's ultimate event, the Tour de France. Hamilton has also made these revelations to federal authorities.

Hamilton, one of Armstrong's closest teammates and a champion cyclist in his own right, had previously denied using banned substances. He came forward to reveal secrets he thought he would harbor for years after he was subpoenaed by the grand jury in the federal investigation and forced to testify. "[Armstrong] took what we all took...the majority of the peloton," Hamilton says, referring to the tight group of bicycles and their riders in a race. "There was EPO...testosterone...a blood transfusion," he tells Pelley.
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Re: Lance Armstrong: are there any believers yet at this point?

There's really no reason to not believe Hincapie.

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Re: Lance Armstrong: are there any believers yet at this point?

All of Lance's Tour de France main rivals used drugs but he was clean when he defeated them easily. His ex-teammates and staff are liars, every one of them has a grudge because they could not compare to him. He never failed a drug test and neither did Usain Bolt.
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Re: Lance Armstrong: are there any believers yet at this point?

Even Hincapie sold him out?

Always thought Lance Armstrong was a cheat.

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Re: Lance Armstrong: are there any believers yet at this point?

I don't think it matters. I think the vast majority of his fans will believe him to the end... mostly because most of them (at least the ones I've come across in the 'States) don't even follow cycling or even follow sport enough to understand drug testing or how dopers dope.

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I don't think it matters. I think the vast majority of his fans will believe him to the end... mostly because most of them (at least the ones I've come across in the 'States) don't even follow cycling or even follow sport enough to understand drug testing or how dopers dope.
You're right in the US and Canada. . .

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Re: Lance Armstrong: are there any believers yet at this point?

At a certain point I think the large majority of the peloton was taking EPO. Lance wouldn't have been able to defeat the other riders who're on EPO, without taking the stuff himself.
But in the end, with all of them on it, he's still the best rider out there.

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When it comes to cycling, may the best pharmacist win.
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Re: Lance Armstrong: are there any believers yet at this point?

He may have taken PEDs . . .or not. To me, it's irrelevant. He won. Over and over. There are many cyclists taking PEDs who haven't even won once.

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Armstrong's critics are relieving their guilt by pointing the finger at him well after his career was over. But if they wished to further relieve their guilt and have greater credibility, all they need do is to return all the money they were paid when they cheated.

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Armstrong's critics are relieving their guilt by pointing the finger at him well after his career was over.
I think it's more of a case of an overzealous federal investigator wanting to catch high-profile athletes. As much as I don't like Armstrong, I'm more ticked off that my tax money is going into this. If you're caught doping, well, the punishments aren't terribly harsh. Big whup. But if you're caught lying to a grand jury / the feds, they'll throw you in jail.

If what's reported is true, I just don't understand why George Hincapie would've said anything. He could've stayed silent and refused to answer, no?

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At a certain point I think the large majority of the peloton was taking EPO.
I'm so cynical, I think the only people in the peloton NOT taking EPO were the ones who had adverse reactions to it.

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He doesn't have a stain on him. The receipts don't lie. They're just pressed that they doped but still flopped.
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Re: Lance Armstrong: are there any believers yet at this point?

I heard an interview from a journalist?/someone deeply involved in his camp who was his biggest fan but had come to the conclusion that he had used PED. So I'm inclined to believe him. Not that I've cared about LA since he dumped poor Sheryl Crow.

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