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Calif. judge: Brain-damaged mom can see triplets

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Calif. judge: Brain-damaged mom can see triplets


LOS ANGELES – A judge on Friday issued a temporary ruling allowing visitation with 4-year-old triplets to a mother so badly brain damaged by medical errors during childbirth that she can no longer walk, talk or eat.

Attorneys for both sides praised the tentative 10-page order issued by Superior Court Judge Frederick C. Shaller, who ruled after a two-week hearing that 34-year-old Abbie Dorn would be granted visits of three hours a day for five days each summer at the home in Myrtle Beach, S.C. where her parents care for her.

Lisa Helfland Meyer, attorney for Dorn's parents, said the decision set a precedent for "every single parent out there with any sort of disability."

"I think this is an astounding victory," Meyer said at a news conference. "The court held that this parent has the same right as any other parent to have visitation and a relationship with their child."

Shaller also ordered that the children could have a 30-minute monthly videoconference with their mother, a move Meyer said would establish a "wonderful continuity" between mother and children.

But Shaller's decision granted far less than the triplets' grandparents had asked for, and father Dan Dorn's attorney Vicki Greene said her side got exactly what they wanted — just five days of visits, all supervised by the father, Dan Dorn, who is raising the children at his Los Angeles home. The grandparents, in a lawsuit that is awaiting a trial date, are seeking four weeks of visitation without the father's presence.

Greene said the ruling confirmed their contention that grandmother Susan Cohen's beliefs were contradictory to those of the father and that she had a negative effect on the children.

"The judge recognized the father's right to parent his children without undue influence from the grandparents," said Greene who expressed hope that the two sides could accept the ruling's temporary provisions and avoid trial.

The ruling required that Dan Dorn would not just be in the room for the visits but would control them, and could forbid anyone including Susan Cohen or any other family members from being in the room.

Cohen said on a conference call from her home that she shared the judge's decision with her daughter and got a happy reaction.

"She gave me a long, long blink and a huge smile," Cohen said.

Medical and legal evidence show that Abbie Dorn would not have been capable of such a response. Dorn said.

"It's not an accurate portrayal," she said. "It's the grandmother's hope, but it has not been verified by the judge."

The judge called it "more likely that not" that Dorn "does not have any cognitive function, that her eye blinking and smiling and movements are involuntary." He later added, explaining the short visits, that though a bond has been established, "there is no purpose to exposing the children to a prolonged period with their comatose mother."

The judge did praise the "impressive" care given by Susan Cohen, calling her a "tireless, fully devoted and successful advocate for her daughter."

But the ruling directly forbids her from telling the children anything about what their mother thinks, saying anything about her prognosis, or suggesting that she may recover.

Greene argued during a hearing earlier this week that Abbie Dorn was so badly injured giving birth that she is no longer capable of being a parent, and that Cohen was an "unfit grandmother" who would fill them with unrealistic expectations that their mother might recover.

Attorneys for Abbie Dorn's family said that although Dorn may be incapable of taking part in a traditional mother-child relationship, that doesn't mean no relationship is possible.

"Even though Abbie can't interact with the kids, the kids can interact with Abbie," Meyer said at the news conference.

The ruling required that Dan Dorn set up a shelf or table at his home that is available to the children at all times with pictures and mementoes of their mother.

Abbie Dorn had given birth without incident to son Reuvi and daughter Esti, on June 20, 2006, but as a doctor was delivering a second son, Yossi, he accidentally nicked he uterus. Before doctors could stop the bleeding, her heart had stopped, a defibrillator malfunctioned and her brain was deprived of oxygen.

A year later Dan Dorn divorced her, believing she would never recover.

Meyer said that despite the ruling being temporary and the visits being short, she believes the time the triplets spend with their mother will lead to more, pointing out that visitation rights can constantly be modified.

"This is a beginning," she said. "As the children get older, as they become more bonded to their mother they will have additional time."

She also said the family hopes the visits will change the father's attitude.

"I hope that when Dan finally sees the benefit to the children having a relationship with their mother that he will change his feelings," Meyer said. "This is only a win-win for everybody."
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Re: Calif. judge: Brain-damaged mom can see triplets

I'm surprised i've never seen this case in the news before today . It seems that the mom is now pretty much "non responsive" . It's a tough situation for both sides. I would like to do more research about the moms long term prognosis before commenting too much.
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It's a sad situation for all involved indeed. Hopefully some good comes from the visits.

The father seems to have a problems dealing with the situation however.

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I would like to do more research about the moms long term prognosis before commenting too much.
Her long term prognosis is dreadful as is this ruling.
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Her long term prognosis is dreadful as is this ruling.
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^ I don't see what they're going to achieve with the visits.

The mother is not going to get better and, in the meantime, you're subjecting four year old triplets to what can only be a harrowing experience.

I can't imagine this is in the mother or the children's best interests. If they were older and had built some kind of relationship with their mother beforehand then I would understand.

As it is though, this seems to be all about some bitter dispute between the grandparents and father regarding access to the children.
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^ I don't see what they're going to achieve with the visits.

The mother is not going to get better and, in the meantime, you're subjecting four year old triplets to what can only be a harrowing experience.

I can't imagine this is in the mother or the children's best interests. If they were older and had built some kind of relationship with their mother beforehand then I would understand.

As it is though, this seems to be all about some bitter dispute between the grandparents and father regarding access to the children.
I could not disagree more. Every piece of scientific evidence shows that children will love their mothers no mtter what even if it is faintly. It is unfair to go against all the evidence that children love their parents because the father thinks too little of his children or the mother. Furthermore, the mother was injured in the process of giving birth it them, if that does not entitle her to SEE them a mere once a year than we may as codify into law that mothers have no right to see their children.

Secondly images of the children show them kissing and hugging her, far from being traumatized they look to be enjoying the visit with a woman who gave her sanity to give them life.

Lastly, this man left the mother of his kids the minute she was injured. So much for in sickness and in health. It would do the children good to learn that some people care for family members in need and that full abandonment is always the only option.

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I don't see why the kids shouldn't be allowed to see their mother. Even if they're too young now to comprehend the bond between a mother and her children, I think down the road they'd be SO happy to know that they saw her, touched her, "communicated" with her even in the smallest way possible. I think if they were refused visitations they might be very bitter when they're older, so letting them see her now (even if its upsetting) is the good choice.

Tough situation all around though, and I'm sure the father thinks he's acting in their best interest.
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Sounds like another Terri Shiavo mess when people with causes con people emotionally hurting into trying to make a statement through the law and publicity.

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I could not disagree more. Every piece of scientific evidence shows that children will love their mothers no mtter what even if it is faintly. It is unfair to go against all the evidence that children love their parents because the father thinks too little of his children or the mother. Furthermore, the mother was injured in the process of giving birth it them, if that does not entitle her to SEE them a mere once a year than we may as codify into law that mothers have no right to see their children.

Secondly images of the children show them kissing and hugging her, far from being traumatized they look to be enjoying the visit with a woman who gave her sanity to give them life.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree Wigglytuff.

I think your points are all valid but I would maintain that four year old triplets do not know what is best for them and it is up to their responsible parent(s) (ie. father) to decide. I do not know the family and I have not seen any images but I think you have to defer to the parent who is caring for and looking after these children every day as to whether this is a good thing for them.

It would be a different matter if the children were old enough to appreciate what has happened to their mother and would want to see her but they are not.

If the grandparents want visitation rights then I have no problem with them going to court to get them but what I do have a problem with is using the mother - who almost certainly has no cognition or volition - as leverage to do this.

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Lastly, this man left the mother of his kids the minute she was injured. So much for in sickness and in health. It would do the children good to learn that some people care for family members in need and that full abandonment is always the only option.
I don't really have a comment on this. I can't imagine it was as straightforward as you've made it out.
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