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English grammar...Gerunds?

Like a lot of native English speakers my knowledge of English grammar is actually pretty weak.

I'm working my way through a grammar test, and I find it really hard to identify a gerund in a given sentence, as opposed to a present participle.

At the moment, in that section of the test, its complete guesswork for me.

So, does anyone have a trick for identifying what is or is not a Gerund?

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Re: English grammar...Gerunds?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerund
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Re: English grammar...Gerunds?

gerunds are used as nouns (subject, direct object, indirect object, object of the preposition) while participles are like adjectives. (describing words)

like:

They picked swimming for their afternoon activity.

Swimming is used as a direct object which needs to be a noun form so swimming is a gerund.

on the other hand:

The man, swimming mightily, drowned after being caught in the powerful current.

swimming here is a participle, which describes the man

Participles usually have a comma in front of them too between the participle and the word they are modifying. Gerunds will not unless they are at the end of an introductory prepositional phrase or adj/adv clause

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Re: English grammar...Gerunds?

Yes they don't really teach English grammar properly in UK schools. Trying to (re)learn the grammar of a language you already speak fluently is hard.

I found it was actually easier to learn the grammatical principles of foreign languages like French, Latin and then reapply the principles back into English; where applicable. That's not very useful advice to help with your test I realise but just though I'd share my personal experience.

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Re: English grammar...Gerunds?

We in school repeated this topic nearly every school year...

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Re: English grammar...Gerunds?

yeah, gerund = noun (running), participle = adjective (a running man).
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Re: English grammar...Gerunds?

If you study other languages, it gives you such a boost grammar-wise with respect to English. Even at high-level secondary education, the level of grammar tuition and instruction in this country is poor and a lot of my friends who are studying either form of English (lang or lit) struggle with basic constructions.
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Re: English grammar...Gerunds?

Thanks for the help.

Most native speakers learn English by being immersed in it from day one. Its just naturally evolves. Whereas other methods focus on the building blocks of language and how they fit together.

I think a balance is best...a knowledge of the basics of grammar is good, but I think it can drain all the fun out of learning a language if taken too far.

I have found learning to speak basic Japanese easier than trying to learn grammar rules in English! Grammar makes me fucking angry!

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Thanks for the help.

Most native speakers learn English by being immersed in it from day one. Its just naturally evolves. Whereas other methods focus on the building blocks of language and how they fit together.

I think a balance is best...a knowledge of the basics of grammar is good, but I think it can drain all the fun out of learning a language if taken too far.

I have found learning to speak basic Japanese easier than trying to learn grammar rules in English! Grammar makes me fucking angry!
According to the BNP, you'll all be speaking Arabic etc. soon enough.
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According to the BNP, you'll all be speaking Arabic etc. soon enough.
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Is this really from an english speaker?
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Is this really from an english speaker?
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Most of the people I asked away from this board had never even heard of a Gerund. That includes a teacher!

Of course, all those people use Gerunds regularly. But it just comes naturally and is not something that had to directly learn, or ever really think about.

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Most of the people I asked away from this board had never even heard of a Gerund.
Maybe because we haven't (yet) fought a war with those buggers.

BTW, is there a Gerundian Liberation Front that you're aware of?
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Most of the people I asked away from this board had never even heard of a Gerund. That includes a teacher!

Of course, all those people use Gerunds regularly. But it just comes naturally and is not something that had to directly learn, or ever really think about.
Really?I think I was taught that in 2 two years when I started english study

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