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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old Mar 6th, 2010, 04:03 PM Thread Starter
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Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?


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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

Yes. Sorry, but he's clearly a person who is still vicious and dangerous to society on the whole.

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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

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Yes. Sorry, but he's clearly a person who is still vicious and dangerous to society on the whole.
Yeah... I mean, I can understand why people might want to try to rehabilitate criminals and stuff but if theres something wrong, theres no fixing them and theres no point tryng.

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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

Well what did he do this time ?

I've been waiting to hear but as of yet all I heard is that he had a fight with someone at work.
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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

Sorry, I didn't read the poll properly. I voted for the third option.
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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

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Well what did he do this time ?

I've been waiting to hear but as of yet all I heard is that he had a fight with someone at work.
The latest story is a sex offence. I don't believe that for a second though. It's all just hot air and rumours at the moment.

I voted for the third option for now, by the way. If it's only a minor breach I'll lean more towards the second option, but if it's something serious then of course they should throw the book at him.

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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

The only information I've heard confirmed is that he broke the conditions of his release.

However, which of those conditions is not clear.

After all, one of the rules was not to return to Merseyside (or wherever it was) and I can't say it seems reasonable to lock him up forever if that's all he did.
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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

Seems like The Sun werent making it up for once...


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One of the killers of James Bulger is facing 'extremely serious allegations' after being recalled to prison, Justice Secretary Jack Straw has admitted.
Jon Venables, now 27, has been taken back into custody after breaching the conditions of his release.
Justifying his decision not to disclose details of the recall, Mr Straw said: 'Our motivation throughout has been solely to ensure that some extremely serious allegations are properly investigated and that justice is done.

'No-one in this country would want anything other. That is what the authorities remain determined to do.'
He spoke amid claims today that Venables had been accused of committing a sex crime.

The Sun newspaper claimed it has uncovered the 'exact details' of the alleged offence, but said it was unable to publish them in full for fear Venables' new identity would be revealed.

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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

Sorry to say, but what they did, not now but when they killed that little boy is inexcusable, I don't care they were 10, it was incredibly vicious.

I would not like to have him as a neighbour.

I don't believe in rehabilitation of this type of criminals, you can rehabiliate a thief, a fraudster, but not someone who murders a 2 years old for the fun of it.

I know they were minors but how many 10 years old act like that? how many adults do things like that?

What upsets me is the obsession in some countries (including Canada) to protect more the criminals than the victims. People convicted of really vicious crimes get out, and they are given a new identity, they are protected, they don't notify the community that a child rapist/murderer is among them, they want to give them a "second chance", "they cannot rebuild their lives if they are known for what they did", dinosaur shit, their victims cannot rebuild their lives can them. And then they say "the chances of them committing a new crime are small", yes, but if someone convicted of a henious crime is released and commits another one, what can they tell the victim and the victim's family? , was it an statistical anomaly?

screw it, when you do certain things there is no turning back, end of story. Here in Toronto there was a teenager convicted of rape that was being kept in a $300,000 house with two supervisors 24/7, and he had tons of video games to play, meanwhile, decent people are hungry and homeless and struggle to make end meets. Really, some human rights advocates and lawyers make me want to vomit.

the solution is a bullet in the head, trust me, they won't commit another crime after that.
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^ I agree with you to an extent - there was really no rehabilitating these children once the decision was made to send them to prison.

The problem here though is that they have been released and it's too late to change that. IMHO releasing them without protecting their identities would be completely pointless so you either lock them up forever or you release them with some reasonable chance of trying to lead a normal life.

What I'm interested to know is what he's done this time. If it's a serious offence it really draws into question whether the decision to release them was right or not.

It begs the question of whether they'll let the other guy stay out of prison.
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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

I suppose some will say I'm a typical 'reactionary' but I think he should have been locked up for life the first time around. I make no apologies for loathing the soft approach to criminals and their demads for 'human rights'. Some of us would never even consider torturing and murdering a poor child - it fills me with horror thinking what the poor child went through. The way we tolerate such criminals really upsets me. Victims of such foul people have the sentence of agonising emotional pain for the rest of their lives. Why should someone like Venables have a chance of rehabilitation? Jamie Bulger's mother can't ever get over it and Jamie is dead.
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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

I think some of the posts in this thread are utter bullshit.

This type of criminal can't be rehabilitated? Mary Bell, Robert Thompson (so far) , Anne Perry to take but three examples from the top of my head....

In prison for the rest of their life from the age of ten? Why? Most murderers aren't imprisoned for the rest of their life - why should two people, who killed at an age which wouldn't see them held legally responsible for their actions in most countries, and deemed not to be a threat to society - shouldn't be given another chance? The licencing system sounds like a reasonable mechanism to maintain a close eye on what they've been up to and seems to have clicked into gear when needed.....

I can't stand all this tabloid populist shit. I am thankful that being a member of the EU means we can't 'put a bullet in the back of their head' and that politicians can't manipulate jail time to please easily manipulated plebs.

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Re: Should Jon Venables be kept locked up?

I think we all need to wait until we find out exactly what he has done before we can make a proper judgment ( if we ever do). Ive always thought that there age was significant, an average 10 year old doesnt think the same way as an average adult, so i think its sensible to assume that when they killed bulger they were not acting how an adult murderer would. I do believe they meant to hurt him but to actually set out that day to go and kill achild, i really dont think thats the case.

I agree some ppl can be rehabilitated no matter what crime they commited, whether it be a thief, murderer or rapist. You will always get some criminals that never can, and maybe jon venables is one of them and if thats the case he should be locked up. But like veryborednow said, thompson has kept out of trouble for now and so have the other two ppl he mentioned, plus the countless criminals which never re-offend.

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