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Caster Semenya is a 'hermaphrodite'

Don't know if this has been posted already or not - just found this on the The Sun's website....

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Runner is a 'hermaphrodite'

THE controversy over gender row champion runner Caster Semenya deepened today — after reports claimed sex swap tests have shown she is a HERMAPHRODITE.

South African gold-medallist Semenya, 18, has both male and female organs, it was claimed.

And sources close to the International Association of Athletics Federations — who ordered extensive tests on the teen after her amazing 800m win at the World Athletics Championships last month — say the results mean she could still be stripped of her medal.

Semenya is claimed to have no womb or ovaries — and has internal testes, the male sexual organs which produce testosterone. The row over Semenya's biology has caused huge divisions — with South African politicians calling slurs she is a man "racist and sexist." Her birth certificate has the teen listed as female and urine tests showed that, despite her having higher than average male hormone levels, they are within the official limits for a woman.

But an IAAF source was today quoted as saying: "There certainly is evidence now that Semenya is a hermaphrodite. "But the trouble is the IAAF now have the whole ANC and the whole of South Africa on their backs. "Everything is going to have to be done absolutely by the book, no question of a challenge to our findings. "There's all sorts of scans you do. This is why it's complicated. "In the past you used to do a gynaecological exam, blood test, chromosome test, whatever. "That's why the findings were challenged, because it's not quite so simple. "So what they do now is they do everything, and then they can say look, not only has she got this, she's got that and the other. "The problem for us is to avoid it being an issue now which is very personal: of the organs being a hermaphrodite, of not being a 'real' woman. "It's very dramatic."

IAAF spokesman Nick Davies was not immediately available to comment on the story.

The organisation confirmed this morning that it had received the test results back and was processing the data. Semenya was ordered to take tests straight after her 800 metres gold at the World Championships in Berlin. The athlete received a heroine's welcome when she arrived back home in South Africa following the backlash. And Semenya's family have slammed the claims, saying: "It is God who made her look that way but she IS a girl." The runner was last week given a make-over by YOU magazine — and called the row over her gender "a joke" as she posed in make-up and a dress.

South Africa's athletics chiefs this evening said they stood by her amid the claims. Athletics South Africa president Leonard Chuene said the organisation would advise the teenager to ignore all media speculation until she had been officially informed of the results of the tests. He said: "We are ignoring these claims. We cannot comment on them as we know nothing about them. "We will wait for the due process to be followed. The authorities have made a statement to say we will be informed about the results and we await that development. "We cannot get involved in gossip of this sort. Our people will speak to Caster this evening and ensure that she puts these rumours from her mind. "She is at university at the moment. She must concentrate on her studies. "We stand fully behind her as our athlete."

Semenya's family also angrily disputed the claims. The athlete's uncle Lesiba Rammabi, 51, said her relatives were 'very humiliated' by the reports. He said: "I believe Caster is normal, inside and out. "What does it matter whether she can have babies or not? Many people cannot have children, why else do parents adopt? Are those women not women also? "We are a normal family who looked at a child when she was born, saw that she was a girl and raised her as any other family would do. Are we now being told that we are wrong? "We are very humiliated by what has been said and do not understand how it can be true. "This is a woman who was raised a female. She will always be female, no matter what people say."

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Re: Caster Semenya is a 'hermaphrodite'

kind of expected but wow.

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I wonder how they will handle this.
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Girl? Boy? Poor person, either way. Who cares about the gender. I feel terrible for Caster Semanya.

When I see some of the fat lumps on the WTA tour, high in the the rankings, I think it's a travesty that women who are hard-working and athletic like Caster get this type of scrutiny.
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Humiliating enough already.


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With that body she cannot fairly compete with women. So what are they to do?
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But an IAAF source was today quoted as saying: "There certainly is evidence now that Semenya is a hermaphrodite. "But the trouble is the IAAF now have the whole ANC and the whole of South Africa on their backs. "Everything is going to have to be done absolutely by the book, no question of a challenge to our findings. "There's all sorts of scans you do. This is why it's complicated. "In the past you used to do a gynaecological exam, blood test, chromosome test, whatever. "That's why the findings were challenged, because it's not quite so simple. "So what they do now is they do everything, and then they can say look, not only has she got this, she's got that and the other. "The problem for us is to avoid it being an issue now which is very personal: of the organs being a hermaphrodite, of not being a 'real' woman. "It's very dramatic."

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With that body she cannot fairly compete with women. So what are they to do?
Nor could Serena, or Mauresmo, or Navratilova.

We all have different testosterone levels, from what I understand. Genitalia is not the sole definition of gender, and a straight line between male and female cannot be drawn.
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Re: Caster Semenya is a 'hermaphrodite'

Yeah I think most of us pretty much expected this result. Now it's gonna create so many problems and issues......what happens if and when she gets striped of her medal, what's gonna be the reaction of South African Federation etc... In some ways it would have been so much easier for IAAF if she had proved to be using a banned substance or had actually been male,.....rather than this conclusion.

In the future this is gonna always be a controversal issue....she is still so young with her whole career in front of her....but if she stays as hermaphrodite there is no way she will be able to compete...meaning she will either have to give up her career as a pro athlete or choose which gender she wants to be and have surgery. This also will create further problems...imagine if she does have the male parts removed and has hormone treatment to be able to complete officially amongst the women.....if she is still so much faster than the others, her gender will always be a issue for her fellow athletes....difficult for all sides involved.

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It was to be expected the minute she blitzed the rest of the field. It shuts the south africans up and mutes the typical "its racism cos she doesn't adhere to western beauty" crap aswel. There are lots of other female black athletes out there but its blatantly obvious they are women, with caster it was obvious she wasn't.There has always been some female athletes that have masculine features.....but semenya took the biscuit....its unfair on the rest of the girls if she is allowed to compete as a woman....if she wants to be one in her private life then thats up to her.

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Not really a shock after seeing her jog to win the 800m.

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Nor could Serena, or Mauresmo, or Navratilova.

We all have different testosterone levels, from what I understand. Genitalia is not the sole definition of gender, and a straight line between male and female cannot be drawn.
exactly. i think this is sick and humiliating.

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I dont believe the term hermaphrodite is PC these days.
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Re: Caster Semenya is a 'hermaphrodite'

What is this? Human hermaphrodites don't exist

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Genitalia is not the sole definition of gender, and a straight line between male and female cannot be drawn.
Semenya has testes and no womb or ovaries. Not. A. Woman.
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