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5 Dead in Apparent Murder-Suicide in Alabama

Tuesday, April 07, 2009

PRICEVILLE, Ala. — A man shot and killed his estranged wife, their teenage daughter and two other relatives in rural north Alabama before returning to his home in a nearby town and killing himself the day before their divorce trial, authorities said Tuesday.
Travis Clemmons, chief investigator for the Lauderdale County sheriff's office, said Kevin Garner's body was found Tuesday afternoon near his home in Priceville, which burned to the ground overnight. He said Garner apparently shot himself in the chest.
Earlier in the day, authorities had found the other four bodies in a home in Green Hill, a small community near the Tennessee line in a nearby county. Those bodies were identified as Garner's estranged wife, Tammy, 40; their 16-year-old daughter, Chelsie; and Garner's sister and the sister's 11-year-old son, Clemmons said. He identified the sister as Karen Beaty of Illinois but did not have other information about her and the slain boy.
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He said the four were shot, apparently with a handgun. Investigators said the killings happened around midnight Monday.
It was one of eight mass shootings around the country in the last month that have left grief-stricken communities in shock. It's also the third mass killing in Alabama during that time.

Clemmons said a neighbor came across the street to the house Tuesday morning to visit but called authorities after seeing a body through glass in the door.
Clemmons said the divorce case appeared to be among the triggers of the violence.
"It wasn't just one particular thing, just everything happening at once," he said.
Court officials said the Garners had made an appearance in court Monday in advance of the trial, and nothing seemed unusual or indicated it would lead to killings.
"I just can't understand it," said Clemmons, "and with with a 16-year-old and an 11-year-old kid, there's nothing rational about it."
Jerry Knight, an attorney who represented Kevin Garner in the divorce case, said in an e-mail to The Associated Press that Garner "had a terrific work ethic and value system. I was terribly shocked and saddened by this unexpected tragedy."
Kevin Garner had worked at a Decatur chemical plant and Tammy Garner had been employed at a Huntsville department store.
In the divorce file, Tammy Garner sought custody of their daughter and alleged that her husband "has been both physically and emotionally abusive." He accused her of adultery.
He also accused his wife of taking $38,000 out of their joint bank account when they separated May 27, 2008.
Along with Garner's two-story house, which collapsed in the fire, a green Subaru Legacy belonging to Garner's wife was found burned in the Morgan County community of Somerville, less than 10 miles from the burned house.
The five deaths follow the stabbing deaths of four people in a home in Hueytown, near Birmingham, on March 7, and the shooting deaths of 10 people on March 10 by a gunman in south Alabama who also took his own life.

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So, the question to you, pro-gun advocates, are you enjoying this shooting spree?

62 ppl in a week....

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Obama,guns should be banned for individuals,have you realised this?
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oh yeah and before you, NRA junkies, start mumbling about the right to hunt, all these ppl were killed from a handgun

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Obama,guns should be banned for individuals,have you realised this?
Exactly how would you accomplish this?

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Obama,guns should be banned for individuals,have you realised this?
Sadly it's not that simple. The gun culture is so deep in the US and the gun lobby so strong change is very hard.

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Sadly it's not that simple. The gun culture is so deep in the US and the gun lobby so strong change is very hard.
There's the small matter of the Bill of Rights to contend with too.

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No offense to the US, or whether you like it or not,China does a better job on the gun control.I am shocked as the most powerful country in the world,the US can't handdle the gun issue,it's weird for me
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So, the question to you, pro-gun advocates, are you enjoying this shooting spree?

62 ppl in a week....
How about 114 killed each day in car crashes? We don't need cars for transportation, people got along fine without them for thousands of years and there are safe alternatives. But this isn't really about saving lives, is it? It's about guns, something you apparently don't like and probably don't own. So it's easy for you to say they should be banned. But you probably enjoy the convenience that cars afford, so the death toll is tolerable.

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How about 114 killed each day in car crashes? We don't need cars for transportation, people got along fine without them for thousands of years and there are safe alternatives. But this isn't really about saving lives, is it? It's about guns, something you apparently don't like and probably don't own. So it's easy for you to say they should be banned. But you probably enjoy the convenience that cars afford, so the death toll is tolerable.
What is you exact point?
So, what is a gun used to for an ordinary American people?Do peole really need guns for daily life as they need cars?
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No offense to the US, or whether you like it or not,China does a better job on the gun control.I am shocked as the most powerful country in the world,the US can't handdle the gun issue,it's weird for me
Yeah, apparently China does a great job with the gun issue. The government may issue you a uniform and a gun to use against your own citizens but otherwise you are prohibited from owning one? I'm pretty happy with the way our founding fathers handled the "gun issue", thank you.

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No offense to the US, or whether you like it or not,China does a better job on the gun control.I am shocked as the most powerful country in the world,the US can't handdle the gun issue,it's weird for me
Again you don't understand American gun culture. China is not America two different cultures which handle things differently.


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There's the small matter of the Bill of Rights to contend with too.
As you know the situation in America was a lot different back then. It really has nothing to do with modern America.

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How about 114 killed each day in car crashes? We don't need cars for transportation, people got along fine without them for thousands of years and there are safe alternatives. But this isn't really about saving lives, is it? It's about guns, something you apparently don't like and probably don't own. So it's easy for you to say they should be banned. But you probably enjoy the convenience that cars afford, so the death toll is tolerable.
here we go again... typical NRA crap. car accidents called ACCIDENTS for a reason. and if NRA can't comprehend the difference between the accident and the murder, then there is really nothing left to talk about.

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So,what does a gun mean for an ordinary people?Does every American people want a gun?

I am very much curious about the "gun culture" in USA.Could you please tell me more?Thank you
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What is you exact point?
So, what is a gun used to for an ordinary American people?Do peole really need guns for daily life as they need cars?
Please define "need". How can people "need" something that's only been around for about 100 years? How can some people "need" a car, while others do not? I believe cars are a convenience, not a need.
The only thing I use guns for is hunting and trap/target shooting. Why should I not be able to do so? It doesn't make sense to prohibit me from doing so because someone else has used a firearm to break the law. If someone is inclined to break the law, making firearms illegal isn't going to stop them anymore than making cocaine possession illegal is going to stop anyone from snorting cocaine. And banning guns isn't going to make guns any less available than banning cocaine makes cocaine less available.

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