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7 million americans in prison last year!

Thats crazy, we have 4,5 million people in Croatia and about 5000 prisoners, and of 350 million americans 7 million in prison. whats the problem there?
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It's not a big deal,I don't think less prisoners means better society.Sometimes strong and judicial social justice can rightly punish criminals,but poor justice system may loosen criminals and give others a impression of less criminals.
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It's not a big deal,I don't think less prisoners means better society.Sometimes strong and judicial social justice can rightly punish criminals,but poor justice system may loosen criminals and give others a impression of less criminals.
Punishment don't solve problems, I think prevention is the best thing. The most safe countries in the world are sweden, norway and finland because they have the best society, good social care, social help, education medical care, etc. and their prisons are like hotels.
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Punishment don't solve problems, I think prevention is the best thing. The most safe countries in the world are sweden, norway and finland because they have the best society, good social care, social help, education medical care, etc. and their prisons are like hotels.
Sweden sucks, thats one thing.

Second thing is that You are lying or are more brainwashed than Kournikovafan91.

Third thing is that seriously I think most of american prisoners is sitting there for innocence and that is the problem...

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Punishment don't solve problems, I think prevention is the best thing. The most safe countries in the world are sweden, norway and finland because they have the best society, good social care, social help, education medical care, etc. and their prisons are like hotels.

A:Punishment ACTUALLY can solve problems,but it's not all we need to do against criminals of course.
B:A criminal must be punishedA strong justice system can rightly do this,but poor one can't fully handle this.
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Sweden sucks, thats one thing.

Second thing is that You are lying or are more brainwashed than Kournikovafan91.

Third thing is that seriously I think most of american prisoners is sitting there for innocence and that is the problem...
Sweden is such a nice country, I have been there few times and I have friends there.

I don't know about innocence but thats not normally 7 miliion people sitting in prison.
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Sweden is such a nice country, I have been there few times and I have friends there.

I don't know about innocence but thats not normally 7 miliion people sitting in prison.
You've been there on holidays? I've worked there for a while And its clearly not the place I wanna live. Safe cociety? Whats the obsession of "safety" in Europe? In Poland, in my district we have a rock'n'roll every day and it is better than safety, boring, polliticaly correct Sweden

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A:Punishment ACTUALLY can solve problems,but it's not all we need to do against criminals of course.
B:A criminal must be punishedA strong justice system can rightly do this,but poor one can't fully handle this.
In a good societies is less criminals. USA has strong justice and the result is more and more criminals and more prisoners and they did nothing. The best thing is prevent people to do crimes. If you have a good life the possiblity to do a crime is less than if you have a bad life, and the society must provide you a chance for good life.
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You've been there on holidays? I've worked there for a while And its clearly not the place I wanna live. Safe cociety? Whats the obsession of "safety" in Europe? In Poland, in my district we have a rock'n'roll every day and it is better than safety, boring, polliticaly correct Sweden
I have been there on tennis tournaments and we had a good parties. In Sweden if you loose your job you will not be hungry. and the swedish people are very nice and helpful. I see many polish tourists every year in Croatia and they bring full car of food and drinks. They spend nothing.
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In a good societies is less criminals. USA has strong justice and the result is more and more criminals and more prisoners and they did nothing. The best thing is prevent people to do crimes. If you have a good life the possiblity to do a crime is less than if you have a bad life, and the society must provide you a chance for good life.
Gauntier, few questions to You. I see You're OK guy, so I think unlike fellow lefties You will answer.

1. Do You belive few bastards in suits can make people all happy ?
2. If NO, then can they make majority of people happy ?
3. If YES, then do they have a right to limit rights of others?
4. If YES, then are we the slaves of society ?

I don't belive in any "society"...All I know is that I don't wanna live in Perfect World...I like the world how it is...

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Gauntier, few questions to You. I see You're OK guy, so I think unlike fellow lefties You will answer.

1. Do You belive few bastards in suits can make people all happy ?
2. If NO, then can they make majority of people happy ?
3. If YES, then do they have a right to limit rights of others?
4. If YES, then are we the slaves of society ?

I don't belive in any "society"...All I know is that I don't wanna live in Perfect World...I like the world how it is...
If you loose your job you cannot be happy and you become depressive. in Scandinavia were the most suicides in europe 20 years ago but good medical care prevents it now. There is a lot unhappy people in Croatia, much more than in sweden. I read dannish people are the happiest in the world.
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harsh punishment is not goal or only way out .
Law, it must have necessary deterrent effect.

society has high tolerance level to extreme crime reflected the civilized degree of a nation, value and religion things.. This is principle of justice nothing to do human rights imo.

Your compared Scandinavian example to other countries is inappropriate. The reasons I don't want to write.
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If you loose your job you cannot be happy and you become depressive. in Scandinavia were the most suicides in europe 20 years ago but good medical care prevents it now. There is a lot unhappy people in Croatia, much more than in sweden. I read dannish people are the happiest in the world.
It's good for Denish peopleBut,I just wonder how others know some people are happy or not?This kind of claim seems weird to me.People can only tell himself/hersle happle or not,but can't tell others,especially to judge a nation happy or not is very hard for me.
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If you loose your job you cannot be happy and you become depressive. in Scandinavia were the most suicides in europe 20 years ago but good medical care prevents it now. There is a lot unhappy people in Croatia, much more than in sweden. I read dannish people are the happiest in the world.
Better happy in slavery than sad and free?

You know, Sweden is a country where bastards in suits are deciding about how my live looks like. Yes, bastards may make someone happy, but hes not independent in that kind of situation.

In countries like Poland, Croatia or USA influence of thos bastards on life is relatively low. Thats the thing You have a problem with I see...

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harsh punishment is not goal or only way out .
Law, it must have necessary deterrent effect.

society has high tolerance level to extreme crime reflected the civilized degree of a nation, value and religion things.. This is principle of justice nothing to do human rights imo.

Your compared Scandinavian example to other countries is inappropriate. The reasons I don't want to write.
The scandinavina society is the best in the world in my opinion.
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