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Since Democratic Party embraced Equal RIghts for Blacks, Whites have voted Republican

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Apparently white people hold a grudge for a long time: ever since Democrats pushed for African-American voting rights and integration, most whites haven't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate for over 40 years, even as the racial animus got translated into a cleaned-up anti-govenment, anti-crime, anti-tax message. The full story is told in such brilliant books as Chain Reaction co-authored by Huffington Post political director Thomas Edsall, well-chronicled in this early 90s' essay on the Democats' increasingly alienated white working-class and middle-class supporters who now potentially can be won back in hard times, especially after the Republican crack-up.
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Re: Since Democratic Party embraced Equal RIghts for Blacks, Whites have voted Republ

Jesus Christ give it a rest....

Can we talk about the high oil prices, the shitty economy, the two wars we have going on, the global warming crisis

cause when a heart breaks, it never breaks even.....
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Re: Since Democratic Party embraced Equal RIghts for Blacks, Whites have voted Republ

That's not an entirely fair statement. In the Nixon years, the Republicans decided to push for a "Southern strategy" designed to break up what had been the "solid South," which was largely conservative Democrats who held a grudge against the Republicans for Reconstruction. They pushed a comprehensive strategy that often included a subtle sort of racism, e.g. ranting about urban "welfare queens" at a time when most welfare recipients were white and rural. But I personally know of many younger Republicans who are not racist who support the social conservatism, deregulation, strong defense posture (whether this posing actually results in stronger defense is debatable) and cling to the idea that today's Republican party is somehow "fiscally responsible" (yes, and up is down and day is night).

I think there are some older, Southern Republicans who consciously or unconsciously vote Republican because the Democrats embraced civil rights, but there are a lot of others for whom it's not a factor.


I personally think the Southern strategy has been a disaster for the Repubs as it's all but destroyed the moderate wing of the party.

It's also worth pointing out that there is a difference between the more traditional Western states Republicans who tend to be more "Old School" and believe in small government and controlled spending. The Newt Gingrich/Tom DeLay tactics of putting party first is starting to show cracks--witness the number of conservatives who don't think John McCain is "conservative enough."

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Re: Since Democratic Party embraced Equal RIghts for Blacks, Whites have voted Republ

And some people still vote Democrat because those damn Republicans freed their slaves. So what's new?

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Re: Since Democratic Party embraced Equal RIghts for Blacks, Whites have voted Republ

Sorry, but wasn't in mainly WHITE democrats that worked to give african-american's equal rights?
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Sorry, but wasn't in mainly WHITE democrats that worked to give african-american's equal rights?
A lot of Jews too. Two of the civil rights activists killed in 1964 in Mississippi were Jewish.

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Jesus Christ give it a rest....

Can we talk about the high oil prices, the shitty economy, the two wars we have going on, the global warming crisis
Yeah, we can talk.. As it is only in the next presidency we'll probably learn what is REALLY high oil prices ( the demand is rapidly growing, the supply is not, what can you do about it 3.50 per gallon is still bearable, it will be close to 10 in 4 years time), what REALLY is a shitty economy - last 16 years or so will look like Golden Era , people are moaning now, they will be reminded what is it to live under inflation way over 5%, and the current forecast for next decade actually suggests global cooling, temporary though perhaps..

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Jesus Christ give it a rest....

Can we talk about the high oil prices, the shitty economy, the two wars we have going on, the global warming crisis
Why are you in such an angry state of denial?

You seem to flit from thread to thread acting like the ultimate victim whenever anyone mentions racial issues.

Kinda strange.
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Sorry, but wasn't in mainly WHITE democrats that worked to give african-american's equal rights?
Actually, from a legislative perspective, it was white Republicans. Back inthe 50's and 60's, there were liberals in the Republican party, and conservatives in the Democratic party.
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That's not an entirely fair statement.
It's fair. It just sheds more heat than light.

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Jesus Christ give it a rest....

Can we talk about the high oil prices, the shitty economy, the two wars we have going on, the global warming crisis
and how Hillary supporters will vote for McCain just because.

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And some people still vote Democrat because those damn Republicans freed their slaves. So what's new?

Before you speak to me about your religion, first show it to me in how you treat other people; before you tell me how much you love your God, show me in how much you love all His children; before you preach to me of your passion for your faith, teach me about it through your compassion for your neighbors. In the end, I'm not as interested in what you have to tell or sell as in how you choose to live and give.

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Why are you in such an angry state of denial?

You seem to flit from thread to thread acting like the ultimate victim whenever anyone mentions racial issues.

Kinda strange.
Except if it's Hillary or any of her die heart supporters and one in particular.

Before you speak to me about your religion, first show it to me in how you treat other people; before you tell me how much you love your God, show me in how much you love all His children; before you preach to me of your passion for your faith, teach me about it through your compassion for your neighbors. In the end, I'm not as interested in what you have to tell or sell as in how you choose to live and give.

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And some people still vote Democrat because those damn Republicans freed their slaves. So what's new?
Um...I dont think so Sam. LOL.


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In a lot of ways, the interesting point of the thread runs the other way. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton (twice) got elected even though most white voters voted for their opponents.

Conclusions/Ancillary data?
  • The Democratic nominee can win without a majority of white voters.
  • As immigration increases, coupled with the fact that non-whites in the USA have a higher birth-rate than whites in the USA, the percentage of white-Americans goes down every year. Which means the number of on-white voters probably goes down every year.
  • Immigrants probably vote in a higher percentage than the American-born. Why? Americans have one of the lowest voting rates of any country where most citizens have the right to vote.

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In a lot of ways, the interesting point of the thread runs the other way. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton (twice) got elected even though most white voters voted for their opponents.

Conclusions/Ancillary data?
  • The Democratic nominee can win without a majority of white voters.
  • As immigration increases, coupled with the fact that non-whites in the USA have a higher birth-rate than whites in the USA, the percentage of white-Americans goes down every year. Which means the number of on-white voters probably goes down every year.
  • Immigrants probably vote in a higher percentage than the American-born. Why? Americans have one of the lowest voting rates of any country where most citizens have the right to vote.
Interesting. I think there is an element of truth to the thread's premise but I doubt that the cause and effect is as sweeping as is suggested.

While a pro-civil rights candidate can win without a majority of white voters, one cannot be elected without a lot of white voters. I suspect I'd be disappointed to learn how many white voters won't support a minority or pro-civil rights candidate because of bigotry. I also suspect that number is steadily shrinking.

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