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Why is America so pro-Israel?

Obviously Israel is in a difficult position and has a right to defend itself. But I think most people can see that it regularly oversteps the mark in its retaliation. Most people except Americans that is. Well, not all Americans, but pretty much the entire political class in America at least.

I think America is completely alone in this position, with a few allies who are determined to stick close to the US also reluctant to criticise Israel. But that's the thing. Any other countries that take an ultra pro-Israel stance are doing so merely because they are close to the US. Most British people were horrified by the Lebanon war in 2006 and it forced Tony Blair out of office sooner than he would have liked. Good. But I don't think Bush faced much pressure from his own country.

Do Americans just see the world very differently to the rest of us? And if so why? And please no-one suggest that the problem is that Europe is anti-semitic. As if people in Europe are more pro-muslim than pro-jew.

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Re: Why is America so pro-Israel?

I'm really uninformed on the subject but I think America was very involved in the establishment of Israel, though it was a British mandate that proposed the founding of Israel. Also I think many of Israel's original citizens came from America.

Also when you think about it Israel is a relatively strong power in the area and it's in America's interest to have an ally in the region.

Also Jewish Americans have much more power and are more involved in politics and judicial fields (both now and in the past) than Islamic Americans so the ruling elite's opinions are more in line with those of Jewish Americans.

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Re: Why is America so pro-Israel?

Israel really oversteps the boundaries of good taste and good will when it
officially encourages citizens, teenagers, children, to strap bombs on, and
then, go into pizza parlors, weddings, funerals, schools, bus rides, streets,
private homes, and blow themselves up.

It also does this when they have national tv programs that demonize Arab children,
women, and men and spread lies about how they like to drink Jewish blood, and cut
off heads, and things like that.

Or promise to obliterate the Palestinian people, instead of trying to help create
a separate nation - as the UN originally tried to do decades ago.

Oh wait........that's not Israel.
That's the other side.

Israel is the size of a pea.
Surrounded by a hemisphere of anti-Israel nations who vocally call for the
elimination of Israel and the citizens.

The USA should be pro-Israel, as should the UK, it is a democracy. We should stand
by our friends, and Israel has proven itself to be our friend. It is a benefit to the
region, and for us.
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Why is America so pro-Israel?

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Re: Why is America so pro-Israel?

well strategically Israel is the only strong Western Ally in the Middle East. And that's prolly why it garners so much support from Western countries (and not just the U.S.)

As for why the people of America support Israel so much...I'm not sure. It's a weird thing because anti-semitism still exists in the U.S. in a very small form but is still somewhat around in certain areas of the country. In the U.S. we hear about ultra conservative groups complaining about a left wing conspiracy that consists of Jews and gays.

I personally am very pro-Israel but I don't think that's true of the majority of Americans. I think the media here takes a somewhat pro-Israel slant on events that occur there. Also, Americans ideology meshes well with the notion that you have a right to defend your home w/ whatever force necessary...it's something that's ingrained in the general American ideology. And so that may be why Americans in general are supportive of Israel because as it plays out in the media here we often here Islamic extremists saying things like death to Israel, or that the only peace they will have is if Israel is eradicated. I mean that's pretty much all we hear so it's very hard not to side w/ Israel who, at least as it's played out in the media, is fighting only for the right to exist. And this comes at the heels of WWII which still lingers in the public consciousness.

Lastly, I remember watching some documentary or some news report and apparently there is a very strong Jewish/Pro Israel interest group here that is very well funded and lobbies very hard for the U.S. to support Israel. But I think that only affects U.S. policy on Israel in certain circumstancses where Israel might be in the wrong and the U.S. might want to side against them.


FYI someone was just convicted in the U.S. for spying for Israel and giving confidential security documents to Israeli spies. I was a little pissed about that...I mean U.S. has been Israel's strongest supporters, giving it billions of dollars for defense and they are spying on us and not just general spying but stealing security i.e. military documents. I'm sure there's a backstory but that's some bull shite right there.
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As for why the people of America support Israel so much...I'm not sure. It's a weird thing because anti-semitism still exists in the U.S. in a very small form but is still somewhat around in certain areas of the country. In the U.S. we hear about ultra conservative groups complaining about a left wing conspiracy that consists of Jews and gays.
Who are more than offset politically by Christian fundamentalists who see Israel's existence as a Biblical requirement for the Second Coming.
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Re: Why is America so pro-Israel?

Well first, Israel's one of the few democracies in the region so it's in our foreigh policy interest to keep them strong. They're probably the only country in the region that supports almost all of the United States' foreign policy objectives.

Additionaly, I think it would be irresponsible to overlook the fact that there is a substantial jewish population in the United States (40% of the World's population) especially in the Northeast who naturally have an interest in keeping Israel strong. New York City has the second largest Jewish population in the world (1.9 million in their metropolitan area) so it's really not all that surprising there's so much support. Most countries that have a substantial percentage of a certain religion or ethinic group would be supportive of another country that had similar demographics.

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Re: Why is America so pro-Israel?

Israel was the U.S.'s only friend during the Cold War in the Middle East (with the possible exception of Jordan). There's a large part of the American right that has had a hard time dealing with a multipolar world--witness the whole effort to paint the fictional N. Korea-Iran-Iraq axis as somehow presenting a threat to the U.S. on the same scale as the Soviet Union. However muddled their other thinking might be, there's also a sense that we "owe" Israel for standing beside us--they did fight at least one ***** war for us in 1973 and regularly supplied us with lots of info on Soviet-made weapons systems and tactics during the '60s and '70s.

It's also true that there is a very powerful Jewish lobby that influences the government and the media. I'm not saying its some kind of cabal that controls everything or anything--but it is a very large and well-organized group that is quick to write letters, phone calls, complain, whatever needs to be done to help shape coverage of stories out of the Middle East. There is now a growing network of similar Islamic organizations who espouse different views, but they are still smaller and less well-funded than their Jewish counterparts. As these organizations continue to grow, it will be interesting to see how much they influence the debate in this country.

There is also huge support for Israel among conservative Christians. They have a wide range of reasons for supporting Israel, ranging from it being a precondition for the "End Times" to a sense of obligation to Jesus's people to simply seeing Jews as the lesser of two evils (as opposed to Muslims).

The fact that many organizations ranging from the PLO to al Qaeda have chose terrorism (always a weapon of the weak) as a way to achieve their goals has turned off many Americans. Although the secular, socialist PLO and al Qaeda represent radically different agenda, for many Americans the image of the Middle East outside Israel is that of an AK-47 wielding, plane-blowing up maniac in a burnoose. Never mind that the overwhelming majority of Muslims reject terrorism or that the line between being a freedom fighter and a terrorist is very narrow--it's a very negative image and there is no doubt that the Palestinians are suffering in public perception because of the actions of a few radicals.

Also, America is a more overtly religious nation that most Western countries, and even many non-conservative Christians feel a sense of connection to Israel that simply isn't there for Syria, or Iraq, or Egypt.

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Re: Why is America so pro-Israel?

If Israel falls the next target of Muslim terrorists will be the Western world
so it is self preservation from America to keep Israel and Arabs fighting

don't know how Europe can be so naive to oppose Israel all the time when a demographic time bomb is ticking in their own states

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As if people in Europe are more pro-muslim than pro-jew.
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Re: Why is America so pro-Israel?

Because Israel believes in peace, while Arabs believe in suicide bombs and terrorism.
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Because Israel believes in peace, while Arabs believe in suicide bombs and terrorism.
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many rich jews in U.S i heard.

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If Israel ceases to exist, Baby Jesus won't come back. America loves Baby Jesus, therefore America is pro-Israel.
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