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I agree he won't win there but it's a credible suggestion considering the last general election poll in the state had Obama up by 1. But again, the poll obviously doesn't matter because anything that doesn't show that Clinton is running stronger against McCain clearly must be biased or wrong.
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But also, when we discuss Hillary as the nominee, it must also be noted that it is also understood Obama is the VP.
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Oh really? ... Which states.

Reality and facts show Ohio and Arkansas are locks which give Hillary the win.
I'm not all that sure that she will pick up Arkansas despite that being her home state........................but if she wins Ohio then its pretty much a lock on yes.

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I'm not all that sure that she will pick up Arkansas despite that being her home state........................but if she wins Ohio then its pretty much a lock on yes.
Look at the polls and look at President Clinton's history. Calling Arkansas a lock is an understatement.
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If McCain doesn't win Ohio (20), then his chance of winning goes from 40% to 0.01%.

Other crucial states that the Republicans needs to win;
Florida (27) - high chance of winning against Obama, a real dogfight if its against Clinton
Wisconisin (10) - high chance of winning against Clinton, an underdog against Obama
Colorado (9) - high chance of winning against Clinton, should win against Obama as well though
Arkansas (6) - No contest if against Obama, but could be a close contest against Hillary

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Nevada (5) - McCain should win here, unless Democrats put heaps of effort into here
New Hampshire (4) - McCain should in here, especially if he goes on with the message that his run to the Presidency started there.

The more the Wright controversy goes on the more it hurts Obama, and the Republicans - as Clinton does seem to be the strongest candidate of the three right now
The thing is the Republicans are scared of running against Obama which is why they're writing all these glowing pieces about Clinton. Obama hasn't brought up anything about Hillary's more than questionable past but the Republicans will. I suggest every Democrat read Carl Bernstein's article on Huffington Post detailing her long list of ties to radicals that will become fodder for the Republicans in the fall.

Hillary is a strong candidate who I'll admit may be the safer pick but Obama has a much bigger upside. He can put many more states into play than she can. If something goes wrong and she doesn't win Ohio she's in big trouble, Obama has many more options if things go wrong in one particular state

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Exactly.

But also, when we discuss Hillary as the nominee, it must also be noted that it is also understood Obama is the VP.
Oh come on why would Obama want to be the VP. He's a smart guy, and I'm sure he remembers what hapenned with Al Gore...

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Pureracket. Thank you! That's a post I wanted. Anything for a possible Hillary run?

And although I like that post, it loses credibility when it gives North Dakota to Obama and New Jersey OUTRIGHT to McCain. And Texas only as a 1 pt win for McCain.
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And this is without him winning in PA which he is up by 9 according to the latest Quinnipiac Poll which would give him 301 electoral votes.

But again, the numbers aren't relevant because Clinton supporters "know" that Obama won't win some of these states.

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Look at the polls and look at President Clinton's history. Calling Arkansas a lock is an understatement.
Taken not long after Super Tuesday 2

John McCain 50%
Hillary Clinton 43%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ntial_election

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The thing is the Republicans are scared of running against Obama which is why they're writing all these glowing pieces about Clinton. Obama hasn't brought up anything about Hillary's more than questionable past but the Republicans will. I suggest every Democrat read Carl Bernstein's article on Huffington Post detailing her long list of ties to radicals that will become fodder for the Republicans in the fall.

Hillary is a strong candidate who I'll admit may be the safer pick but Obama has a much bigger upside. He can put many more states into play than she can. If something goes wrong and she doesn't win Ohio she's in big trouble, Obama has many more options if things go wrong in one particular state
The thing is though is that people know Hillary Clinton. They know her positives, they know her negatives. When the media crushes on her and they don't stop reporting on her, YET she still wins in states shows you that it doesn't resonate. She's a fighter and she wins. No one can deny that a Clinton will win regardless of the circumstances.
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Taken not long after Super Tuesday 2

John McCain 50%
Hillary Clinton 43%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ntial_election
There was one taken LONG after Super Tuesday and she was KILLING. Let me find.
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This is going to be a very close election race, and once again it will come down to probably one or two states. I think these could be Ohio and Colorado, and well the way these are going you have to slightly favor the Republicans at this point.......................Bring on November

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There was one taken LONG after Super Tuesday and she was KILLING. Let me find.
Don't you know the difference between Super Tuesday 1 and Super Tuesday 2

I guess that explains your logic all along then

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Exactly.

But also, when we discuss Hillary as the nominee, it must also be noted that it is also understood Obama is the VP.
Please dont joke
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i am more inclined to think that obama is the presidential nominee
he needs john edwards to be his vp to reassure reagan democrats

obama may turn a few red states purple but he has difficulty holding swing states
(ohio, pennsylvania,florida)

260 odd seats are locks for the democrats
one of the 3 (ohio,florida or Pennsylvania will seal the deal for hillary
hillary will win small or lose small
obama may make a lot of the solid south competitive but has difficulty holding onto the rust belt states
obama will really be about "change" since he can either win big or lose big

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Don't you know the difference between Super Tuesday 1 and Super Tuesday 2

I guess that explains your logic all along then
Oops! Didn't see the 2. But Hillary will win Arkansas. Lock is an understatement.
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