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Evangelicals SERIOUSLY consider a 3rd party Vote.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071031/...ls_third_party

Poll: Evangelicals looking beyond GOP



WASHINGTON - More than half of white evangelical Republicans would consider voting for a conservative third-party candidate should the 2008 presidential race pit Hillary Rodham Clinton against Rudy Giuliani, a poll said Wednesday.

The finding, in a survey by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center, was the latest reading of discontent among one of the GOP's cornerstone voting blocs. Giuliani, the leading Republican contender in most national polls, is a former New York mayor whose views on abortion, gays and guns are considered too moderate by many conservatives. According to the poll, 55 percent of white evangelical Republicans said they would consider a conservative who ran as a third-party candidate. Forty-two percent said they would not.

Evangelicals comprise 34 percent of GOP and Republican-leaning voters, according to Pew. They are divided about evenly among Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

It is unclear whether a third-party bid would be launched should Giuliani become the GOP nominee. Several dozen conservative Christian leaders met privately in September to discuss that possibility, but top evangelicals said they have reached no consensus.

The evangelicals' dissatisfaction reflects a general GOP discontent. According to the Pew poll, Republicans are less likely than Democrats to say that their own party is concerned about people like themselves, can bring needed change or is more honest or ethical.

Overall, 50 percent of Americans identified themselves as Democrats or leaning toward Democrats, compared to 36 percent who consider themselves Republicans or GOP leaners, Pew found. That is the largest gap in almost 20 years of Pew surveys, and a big change since 2002, when the two parties were even at 43 percent each.

Clinton, the senator from New York, leads Democratic contenders in national polls.
The poll involved telephone interviews with 2,007 people conducted from Oct. 17-23. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points. That included 648 Republicans and GOP-leaners, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 4.5 points.

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Just because they would consider it doesn't mean that they would actually do it.

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Re: Evangelicals SERIOUSLY consider a 3rd party Vote.

If only a fraction of the evangelical votes does go to a third party, it would give the democrats a victory. But it is still way to early to tell how this will play out. If Giuliani does get the nomination of the GOP, he'll probably choose a vice president that would make the evangelicals happy, and spend lots of time campaigning to get their votes. Also Clinton v. Giuliani isn't guaranteed in my opinion.
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If only a fraction of the evangelical votes does go to a third party, it would give the democrats a victory. But it is still way to early to tell how this will play out. If Giuliani does get the nomination of the GOP, he'll probably choose a vice president that would make the evangelicals happy, and spend lots of time campaigning to get their votes. Also Clinton v. Giuliani isn't guaranteed in my opinion.
Evangelical Republicans will vote for a Republican. For all we know heaps of Democrats may vote for that Comedy Central guy anyway

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I always wonder why blacks never considered doing this. They've been shafted harder, for way longer, than evangelicals have.
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Just because they would consider it doesn't mean that they would actually do it.

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I wish you would stop speaking as if you know so much about US politics, like you're some kind of Republican insider. You're from New Zealand. Have you ever even been here? It doesn't seem like it.

And what the hell is a "true Republican"?


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I always wonder why blacks never considered doing this. They've been shafted harder, for way longer, than evangelicals have.
People don't want to "throw their votes away." It's why we need to reform our election process. We either need runoff elections or instant-runoff voting. Black Americans don't utilize their potential influence at all. If they were to make the effort, they could insure that the Democratic Party would support any ideas they wished. If black Americans decided to start their own Black Rights Party or to support another third party, the Democrats would never be able to win the Presidency. Democrats completely rely on the black vote, but do very little to actually earn it.


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I'm sure these people would support the Constitution Party as their 3rd party choice, which is really scary. It really pisses me off that they call their party "Constitution," as well. Be real, let's call it what it really is... the Religious Wackjob Party.


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Overall, 50 percent of Americans identified themselves as Democrats or leaning toward Democrats, compared to 36 percent who consider themselves Republicans or GOP leaners, Pew found. That is the largest gap in almost 20 years of Pew surveys, and a big change since 2002, when the two parties were even at 43 percent each.
Why do some people then insist that the Christian Right is taking over American politics?

Anyway I don't think a split will happen before the elections. It might happen though after the elections.


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Evangelical Republicans will vote for a Republican. For all we know heaps of Democrats may vote for that Comedy Central guy anyway
Yeah, I agree, the evangelists know whats best for them.

And it would be hilarious if Colbert affects the race, it would be exactly what the US needs. If it looks like Colbert actually will influence the race at all I'll for sure vote for him. But his name is only going to be on one ballet and like the Evangalists, most liberals will realize the best move (really only move) is to stick with the democrat party.
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I would love for that to happen. No way in hell GOP can win without the Evangelical vote.
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I think the Evangicals should try a third party. They don't have a candidate who is consistent with what they stand for. I'd totally support their desire to do this.

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I wish you would stop speaking as if you know so much about US politics, like you're some kind of Republican insider. You're from New Zealand. Have you ever even been here? It doesn't seem like it.

And what the hell is a "true Republican"?
I was thinking the same thing too. Is this person even an American citizen? Is Sam L one either?

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I'm just hoping that Giuliani picks someone like Thompson as VP.

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I was thinking the same thing too. Is this person even an American citizen? Is Sam L one either?
I know non-Americans who know a hell of a lot more about U.S. history and politics that most Americans. Being from the USA does not automatically make one knowledgable on the subject, nor does not being from the U.S. preclude one from being knowledgable.

The bottom line is, everyone is entitled to their opinion, regardless of where they live. It's mighty damn arrogant to suggest otherwise. Especially since, because the U.S. has a great deal of influence on global politics, most educated people around the world pay very close attention to U.S. politics. Conversely, roughly 60% of Americans can't name the three branches of their government and 37% can't name their vice-president.*



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