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Did anyone see the Democratic forum last night?

I haven't seen it yet but from what I've heard, Hillary got her ass handed to her several times. Is this true?
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Re: Did anyone see the Democratic forum last night?

The version I heard (and I did not watch) was that the other candidates spent most of their time attacking her. Opinions have varied as to how well she came off in the face of it.

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Re: Did anyone see the Democratic forum last night?

Basically Edwards and Obama spent the night taking shots at her. Too little too late, at this point. What's sad is that instead of speaking truth to power, they came off as a bunch of high schoolers.
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Re: Did anyone see the Democratic forum last night?

She wasn't attacked.
She was the frontrunner of a party, getting the
attention she should have all along from the other
candidates. Who to this point have used soft gloves
with her.


The moderators also finally realized people can see
through their inherent bias towards the Democrats.
So, once in a while, they need to look 'fair', and
ask things in a little harsher tone. About 1/10th of
the angst they give the GOP in these things.


The other guys finally figured out they better go
after the frontrunner. There have always been plenty
of things they could say about her, ask her, point out
to the public, and they haven't. They're afraid. They're
all auditioning for the VP spot too. They need to be careful.
Can't upset Hillary or Bill too much.


Her fundraising tangles with Hsu and others, her flip flops
on Iraq and military, her tax hike ideas, her entitlement program
ideas, etc. It's a long list.


Hillary did okay. Not great. She was a little flustered.She
too was used to the velvet glove treatment all this time.


Can you see Rudy take her on in a debate?
Even Romney, he's nice and polished, but, he's got zingers too.
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Re: Did anyone see the Democratic forum last night?

I go to Drexel and I didn't even want to see it.
I can read from a mile away and I'm voting for Hillary regardless of what these the other candidates try.

And although Barack has tried desparately to get the young vote in the last couple of months, we're just not feelin him here.
He can thank the Devil, I mean mayor John Street for that.

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Re: Did anyone see the Democratic forum last night?

I actually forgot about it or I would have gotten it on DVR. I'm sure that it will be on CSPAN or MSNBC at least five more times in the next few days.

It seems that everytime you look around either the Repubs or the Demos are holding some kind of "forum" so in many ways they are something of a letdown when you do finally get to watch.
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Can you see Rudy take her on in a debate?
Even Romney, he's nice and polished, but, he's got zingers too.
I can see Rudy taking her on but which one has more dirt out in the open in their time in office in NY?
I'm gonna have to say Rudy. He's going to have to tread lightly.

Romney could take on Hillary and win but it doesn't change the fact that America isn't ready for a Mormon president.
I do not trust Mormons in general. I do believe estenially that every religion has some smidgen of truth but their view on blacks just less than 30 years ago has me worried if a Mormon president would even care about most minorities.

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I was so impressed with John Edwards last night. I've been reading more about his positions today and I'm leaning more and more towards voting for him.

I thought they made Hillary look like a fool last night on many fronts. They were not "attacking" her. That's the spin the media (and her people) have put on it. They were pointing out how their positions differ.

She looked REALLY bad twice.

(1) On her vote to declare part of Iran's military "terrorists." A frist step towards war with Iran. The excuse that she voted that way to "open tough negotiations" gave an empty ring...because that was her same excuse for her Iraq vote. Fool me once...I guess not with Hillary apparently.

(2) She was very evasive in answering a question on her position on driver's licenses for non-registered immigrants. She gave the impression of changing her position on the issue during the debate. In reality, it appeared she was being tricky with the language she was using and got busted.

I watched with a very open mind, as I have not decided who I'm voting for. I thought Hillary looked AWFUL, I think Barack has no meat in his answers, and I thought John Edwards gave very thoughtful and reasoned responses. Kucinich is a little left for me. He's getting unfairly tagged with the UFO comment, which actually originated from the question he was asked. I like Biden on a lot of issues. Chris Dodd was alright but nothing special. I like Bill Richardson, but he's not polished enough to pull the general election off.

Basically, I watched the entire thing and for the first time I feel like voting for one of them. John Edwards.

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On her vote to declare part of Iran's military "terrorists." A frist step towards war with Iran.
How is that so? Voting that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is "terrorist" means that she wants to go to war with Iran? Iran has been branded a terrorist state for years now. I don't believe there are any serious considerations, at least for the moment, to go to a broad war with Iran, even among the most hawkish elements of the Repubs.
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Adding a sovereign nation's military to the executive order of "terrorist organizations" is definitely a first.

In an environment when it's actually having to be debated whether the President even has to ask Congress for approval to strike against Iran this vote is, at minimum, irresponsible.

By slapping another nation's military as a "terrorist organization" you take any strike against that group out of the realm of an act of "war" and move it into the realm of "police action." Thereby taking an end run around having to go to Congress to strike (or at least giving them an excuse to try).

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How is that so? Voting that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is "terrorist" means that she wants to go to war with Iran? Iran has been branded a terrorist state for years now. I don't believe there are any serious considerations, at least for the moment, to go to a broad war with Iran, even among the most hawkish elements of the Repubs.
It's been branded a sponsor of terrorism, not a terrorist state. Under current US policy, there's no such thing as "terrorist states"- that would give them a legitimacy that Cheney & co. do not want them to have. In particular, it would put "terrorist" troops captured (like the Taliban) under the jurisdiction of the Geneva Convention.

And even it were so, I'd wager than more people worldwide view America as the terrorist state.
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Also, the Kyl Lieberman Amendment calls for the "use of military instruments with respect to the Government of Iran and its pr oxies." [see Section (b)(4).]

I have a BIG problem with that language and anyone who would sign on to that position with Bush in the White House.

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As sfselesfan mentioned already , Hillary really blew it when she was asked if she approved of giving drivers' licenses to illegal aliens. She more or less said yes, then backtracked on her answer with a "that's not what I said" routine.

She gave the same type of answer when asked if she would make her records open as First Lady from the White House years.
RUSSERT: But there was a letter written by President Clinton specifically asking that any communication between you and the President not be made available until 2012. Would you lift that ban?
CLINTON: Well, that’s not my decision to make [ed. note: if she were elected president, that would be her decision] and I don’t believe that any President or First Lady ever has, but certainly we’ll move as quickly as our circumstances and the processes of the National Archives permits.
So she's saying this is Bill's decision to make----she can't convince him to change his mind?


Down the road the archives issue is small beans, but her remarks on giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants will be a general election issue.

Democrats are letting the Clintons lead them into yet another election defeat
when any other candidate (Edwards, Gore) could easily win.

Nominate Hillary and they will deserve the beating they will likely get.

No more Clintons and no more Bushs-please!
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Democrats are letting the Clintons lead them into yet another election defeat
when any other candidate (Edwards, Gore) could easily win.

Nominate Hillary and they will deserve the beating they will likely get.

No more Clintons and no more Bushs-please!
You actually think the Americans people are dumb enough to focus on this Drivers License issue with thousands of young American men and women dying, Republicans resigning like rats from a sinking ship, and the ones who aren't retiring getting caught in public places with men when they're not emailing/text messaging young boys?

You all are going to have to find something a lot more intense than gay marriage and flag burning this time around, Rollo.

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